Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

BreadOfLife said:

Boy - talk about denial.
Read carefully:

Matt. 5:13
“You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for ANYTHING except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.

If you are saved and guaranteed eternity in Heaven - HOW can you be considered "no longer good for anything"??
This verse is absolutely about losing one's salvation. Remember - Rev. 21:27 tells us that NOTHING impure or imperfect can enter Heaven.

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BOL: I was not going to answer you although I felt like I needed to let know the error in your thinking. It is faulty logic you gave me in your response. I think you may want to re-evaluate it - Matt 5:13 and even Rev 21:27 you added for its support.

You still stubbornly cling onto the notion that the verse I explained to you, that is clearly not about losing salvation, still means the opposite for you. You have the simplistic mind whereby you see the word salt like a preservative for salvation, as salt preserves. Yes, salt does preserve. You are ignoring the context of this verse and forgetting it is through faith and in spreading the gospel that preserves to the knowledge of the gospel and to salvation, for others. The disciples were teaching and spreading the gospel that leads to salvation. And they need to continue or else they would lose this habit, experience and even unwavering faith – the salt they had in their possession. So, in your simple reasoning if you lose salt you lose salvation. Notice that Jesus never threatened their salvation. You still have salvation.

Now let’s look at the context of verse 13 shall we..

(Mat 5:13) “You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.

(Mat 5:14) “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden.

(Mat 5:15) Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house.

(Mat 5:16) In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven. (All ESV)

Jesus is saying in these verse, (again), that the disciples are to ‘spread the gospel that leads to salvation.’ This is the salt. It is the salt they need to use. The disciples having faith in the gospel need to share it with others. They cannot hide it and lose their effectiveness and the works they are doing for God that glorify him. Jesus is saying he might as well get others to do God’s work if they are not going to do it.

Further it seems you wildly found any scripture that might be associated with salt, salvation and uncleanliness and threw it out there as comeback support. Now let’s look at that verse as well shall we:

(Rev 21:27) But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.

The setting here is that those not ‘saved,’ cannot enter the New Jerusalem. Only those with their names in the Book of Life. They are ‘clean’ they are perfect.

I did note you said that nothing imperfect shall enter. You know before I got ‘saved’ I considered myself imperfect and not good enough for God. Well you know when you come to God as a sinner, and you humbly regret your imperfections as in sin, and of believe in his son as you do, he heals you and makes you ‘perfect.’ It is the only way. YOU and I cannot to anything to make us perfect.

BOL, do you feel imperfect today? If you do, then maybe you need to seek out God and chat with him. That you want to really know your name is in the Book of Life. He will haunt you to true salvation if you dare start thinking this way, from your deepest part of your heart. I dare you to try.


Bless you,



APAK

Taken said:

What Church SELLS TO their Saved congregrates to BE Corrupt, that it doesn't matter because they are saved?

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could you rephrase this? it can be read a couple diff ways

Taken said:

YOU SAID:

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IDing the seller or the buyer does not alter the point that both had to accept OSAS on some level to even have a transaction, imo.

Salvation for man = The Cross of Jesus Christ. = Done. ..and done well.

bbyrd009 said:

is Judge not lest you be judged even in the DRB, BoL?

ok, i have to stop talking to you now--mostly bc i feel like no matter what i say, i am poking a wounded animal or something--but i hope you get some relief, ok? You don't have to justify your beliefs to anyone, imo. It's not your fault, ok

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If you don't want to talk to me anymore - that's fine.

That doesn't absolve you, however, from posting falsehoods about the Catholic Church.
I'll still be here to expose or otherwise debunk any false claims you make . . .

BreadOfLife said:

I'll still be here to expose or otherwise debunk any false claims you make . . .

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i know this is your perception, BoL, but i already know it has been remarked more than once that if you really loved the RCC you would ID as a Prot lol; you chiefly invoke the feeling in me that i should apologize for other Catholics, wadr

Taken said:

One LAST TIME ~
IF one NEVER RECEIVES SALVATION,
THEY LOSE SALVATION.

John 8:24
I (Jesus) SAID therefor unto you, that ye
SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS: for
IF YE BELIEVE NOT that I AM HE,
YE shall DIE IN YOUR SINS.

IF one RECEIVES SALVATION,
IT IS THEIRS FOREVER.

2 John 1:2
For truth's sake, which
DWELLETH IN US,
And shall BE with us FOR EVER.

God Bless,
Taken

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Cherry-picking Scripture verses as you do, doesn't show the word of god in its proper context.
I can cherry-pick a verse to show you that God doesn't exist - but the CONTEXT of Scripture says that He does.

You quote 2 John 1:2 as "proof" that we cannot lose our salvation - yet that is NOT what it is saying at ALL.
It says that the truth will be with us forever - but it is contingent on the verses that follow it:

2 John 2:4-6
It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father COMMANDED us. And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. And this is love: that we walk in OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his COMMAND is that you walk in love.

As for John 8:24 - it never even IMPLIES that we can't lose our salvation.

Try again . . .

bbyrd009 said:

i know this is your perception, BoL, but i already know it has been remarked more than once that if you really loved the RCC you would ID as a Prot lol; you chiefly invoke the feeling in me that i should apologize for other Catholics, wadr

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As usual, bbyrd, your cryptic and nonsensical responses have no effect.

A little advice: Just speak plainly.
No need to speak in riddles . . .

Rollo Tamasi said:

Why does offering up prayers cost money?
Where is that in Scripture?
Why do I keep asking you about Scripture?
You don't know how to use any Scripture correctly
PM me and I'll start giving you lessons

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Ehhhh - false.

Nobody is required to give money for prayers.
The money is a charitable donation - not a requirement.

Anything else?

"ByGrace" said:

Salvation for man = The Cross of Jesus Christ. = Done. ..and done well.

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Actually - that is Redemption.

Everybody who ever lived or ever WILL live including Manson, Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Stalin, Kim Jong Un, et al, is redeemed (paid for) by what Jesus did on the cross.

Salvation, however, requires our cooperation.
"All" are NOT saved by the cross because MANY will choose to reject that gift..

Taken said:

Agree.

Whether or not a man BELIEVES ~
Jesus forever is faithful and true.
What He says is faithful and true.
What shall BE for a faithful man or an unfaithful man is True, and SHALL be manifested.



The problem with Christianity is it's Christians are ignorant of the Truth.

A great majority of Christians;
Have been taught to READ.
Have access to the MEANING of words.
Own a BIBLE.
Carry a BIBLE.
Yet DO NOT READ their BIBLE.

They go to Church gatherings, As If they are ancient men, Requiring a Preacher to TELL them WHAT he has decided they should HEAR, and then TELLS them what he thinks it means. And they NEVER verify if it BE TRUE.
And they think themselves QUALIFIED to BE teachers.



One with LITTLE learning (ie enlightment) of the Truth (ie Jesus) of God CAN BELIEVE.

FAITH is a gift from God given to one WHO (is receiving enlightment from hearing) and Believes.

Receiving enlightenment, (from learning)
Receiving Faith, (from believing what one hears);

IS THE BEGINNING steps for a man to RECEIVE SALVATION.

ONCE such BELIEVING man COMMITS TO THE Lord ~

The man BECOMES FOREVER SAVED and BORN AGAIN.

"IF" such man CONTINUES Learning ~
His Learning IS SUPPOSED to "SWITCH"...

From Learning ABOUT GOD....
TO
Learning HOW TO SERVE GOD.....

The HOW TO SERVE GOD....soley lands on;
What such man CAN DO to Glorify Gods Names.

The IGNORANCE of men; is NOT BOTHERING to READ their own Bibles;

To KNOW;

Once God provides them WITH SALVATION;
The Lord is True and Faithful and their Salvation is Forever.

Once God provides them WITH SALVATION;
The Lords Spirit DWELLS WITH THEM FOREVER.

Once God provides them WITH SALVATION;
His Power KEEPS them FOREVER Faithful unto Him Only.

Once God provides them WITH SALVATION;
Scripture TEACHES, the WAYS a FAITHFUL man can SERVE the Lord "TO" Glorify his great Names.

Once a man DOES DO 'works' that DO Glorify Gods great Names. God SHALL bless the reward the man For such "works".

The ignorance of men, is NOT BELIEVING...
The Lord God Almighty exists forever.
The Lord God Almighty is true.
The Lord God Almighty is faithful.

The ignorance of men, IS BELIEVING
That WORKS unto God, SAVE a man.

The ignorance of men, IS their own sloth-fullness of not opening their Bible and Reading the Truth.

God Bless,
Taken

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The problem is they do read teh bible but they wont go to teh one who is teh truth, as Jesus put of. it testifies of Him but,

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

study, church all that stuff wont get you any closer to Him than you are now, that takes a relationship, reading the bible is not a relationship

Taken said:

The Catholics just like any religious organization have their BELIEFS, their POMP, their TRADITIONS, their protocol of ways they TEACH.

Catholics have a very structured Belief System, and Not Everyone Agrees with them.
Just like you, from a baby, a Catholic, learned to not Agree with non-Catholics.

It is Not falsehoods, that people disagree with the Catholics, it is in fact, what they do do.

Like IF you BELIEVE the Pope is your Earthly Holy father, OWN IT.

Scripture teaches Abraham is man's Earthly Faithful father. And many Believe that over what Catholics teach and believe.

God Bless,
Taken

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And I've shown you several verses that show other people as being spiritual "fathers".

As for my being a "brainwashed" Catholic - you don't really know what you're talking about.
I actually went through a kind of reversion to the faith after having dabbled in Protestantism - like 9 of my 12 siblings did. I returned to the faith, whereas, they remained Protestants. I compared the belief systems and realized that the 2000 year old truth of the Catholic faith established by Jesus and the apostles trumped ANY sect started by flawed, rebellious men.

Rollo Tamasi said:

But that doesn't talk about dead people and getting them out of purgatory

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Soooo - you believe that those who left this earth in Christ are "dead"??
On the contrary - they are MORE alive that YOU are.

Their bodies are temporarily dead - but their souls have been made PERFECT in Christ as they dwell in the presence of almighty God in Heaven.

YOU don't . . .