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It can border on "secret knowledge" that only a few can know--which is quite pagan, by the way. The surface text of the Bible will tell you everything you need to know for faith and practice. I won't say that I think you are wrong exactly but I'm not particularly comfortable with the focus on drawing finer and finer distinctions when there are people like "SkyWriting" on here teaching that homosexuality is just fine with God. He badly perverts the word of God and I would like to see more Christians here challenge him on it. One or two of the women even appear to be taken in by him because they are weak on what the Bible teaches on the subject.
I have no inside track on secret knowledge, nor do I wish to entertain it.
However, having said that, the "guess-o-meter" on the MoB is in open season, as to what it will be, might be, or should be!
Taking into consideration what "Phoneman" just posted about the Bible interpreting itself, I have shown that it is much more than that!
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And if there be any so called secret knowledge, down through the years, the prophecy of the book of Revelations has mystified and miffed millions of those false prophets.
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But as time progresses to "the Day of God", God himself shall reveal to many, that which is His OWN understanding, and not just to me only.
Therefore, I never think that I have special knowledge, but I am open to God revealing His perspective to me, only because I trust in Him to lead and guide me, and not that of my "natural" mind, or by "religious" commentary, through religious men.
 

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In reference to Skywriting, he displays the love that Christ displays to all sinners . This seems to be something you lack. In your responses to men here on this forum seem to be kinda butchy, maybe you are harboring some homosexual tendencies, and this is why the subject is so touchy-feely for you.

There are mostly only combative older men and sometimes soft-headed women on this website. Women with strong intellects and rational tendencies have been accused of being "butchy" for a very long time. I wouldn't expect that from a Christian man, but *shrug* there it is. Sky Writing is distorting Scripture and not displaying love to other Christians when he accuses them of being "as guilty" as the guy who killed and ate his victims. Ultimately, he is not showing love to his neighbors by not warning them of the serious nature of their sin--God calls it an "abomination."

And you too are certainly lacking in Christian decorum for insinuating that I have "homosexual tendencies"--which is a standard ploy among those who try to fight the Biblically-based convictions of Christians. True Christians fight to protect the truth of Scripture. By the way, not that this matters, but I have been married to the same man for over twenty years. He appreciates my intellect and says that I am a very kind and loving wife and mother as well as friend to all. It is a shame that you are not.
 

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There are mostly only combative older men and sometimes soft-headed women on this website. Women with strong intellects and rational tendencies have been accused of being "butchy" for a very long time. I wouldn't expect that from a Christian man, but *shrug* there it is. Sky Writing is distorting Scripture and not displaying love to other Christians when he accuses them of being "as guilty" as the guy who killed and ate his victims. Ultimately, he is not showing love to his neighbors by not warning them of the serious nature of their sin--God calls it an "abomination."

And you too are certainly lacking in Christian decorum for insinuating that I have "homosexual tendencies"--which is a standard ploy among those who try to fight the Biblically-based convictions of Christians. True Christians fight to protect the truth of Scripture. By the way, not that this matters, but I have been married to the same man for over twenty years. He appreciates my intellect and says that I am a very kind and loving wife and mother as well as friend to all. It is a shame that you are not.
You have a very high opinion of yourself, truly sorry I don’t.
 
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big·ot·ry
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  1. intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.
    "the difficulties of combating prejudice and bigotry"
    synonyms: prejudice, bias, partiality, partisanship, sectarianism, discrimination, unfairness, injustice;More

Here is the proper definition of bigotry from Merriam-Webster's online dictionary:
": a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance."

Question for you: Should we accuse others of "bigotry" toward thieves if we object to their "lifestyle"? How about murderers? Would I be accused of "hatred" toward a defined group of thieves and murderers--such as MS-13--if I objected to their "lifestyle"? (p.s. I have discovered that some men can also be soft-headed and "beta-male-ish").
 

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Proverbs 16:5 KJV
[5] Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord : though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.


Tecarta BibleMany abominations in the word.
 

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Proverbs 16:5 KJV
[5] Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord : though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.


Tecarta BibleMany abominations in the word.


And what do you think you display when you look down your nose at me and say insulting things about me? You don't even know me or my level of humility toward God and yet you feel qualified to judge my Christian character based on a few random posts where I disagreed with others? Remember that you started the name-calling first.
 

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And what do you think you display when you look down your nose at me and say insulting things about me? You don't even know me or my level of humility toward God and yet you feel qualified to judge my Christian character based on a few random posts where I disagreed with others? Remember that you started the name-calling first.
I’m happy your proud.
 

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I’m happy your proud.

What do I care about the judgment of humans--I care only about the judgment of Christ. Considering the Proverbs passage which you quoted, I would say that your "glad tidings" are pretty hateful toward another Christian.
 

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What do I care about the judgment of humans--I care only about the judgment of Christ. Considering the Proverbs passage which you quoted, I would say that your "glad tidings" are pretty hateful toward another Christian.
The only thing I hate is evil, it’s the beginning of knowledge.
 

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More so happy to hear your aware of it.

I never said that I was proud--I said that I thought well of myself--as any daughter of the King of Kings should. Jesus said that we should love others AS we love ourselves. The Pharisees accused Him of being proud. What good would it do for me to think of myself as some kind of worm? If I boast, it is in Christ alone and all that He has done. The record of my life really doesn't measure up to the lives of the great saints down through the ages and falls far short of the standard that has been set before us. But, I keep on keepin' on. Hope you do the same.
 
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Proverbs 8:13 KJV
[13] The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.


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You've quoted passages on pride--do you have a problem with pride? I find that most Christians have a lot of internal conflict on that point. They confuse confidence that others express as "pride". Jesus and all of His disciples had to have the confidence that they could achieve the tasks that had been set before them. They needed God the Father to be with them in every step. Confidence is NOT arrogance. Arrogance is thinking that you deserve all that you have been given and none of us do. What we deserve is to go to hell for our sins, but praise God, He has made a way for us to escape from the penalty of our unrighteousness. Amen?
 
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The contention between members here on this thread has taken over the content of the OP. I was enjoying the teaching and sharing of what a fellow believer has graciously cared to share with others, however the nasty ole spirit of strife had to show up. I rebuke the spirit of strife in the name of Jesus and pray for the spirit of peace to come here now.:oops::confused::(:)
 

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You are welcome!

Please compare the words used in Rev. 13[18]

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
for it is the number of a man;
and his number is
Six hundred threescore and six.
With

1 Kings 10[13] And king Solomon gave unto the queen of Sheba all her desire, whatsoever she asked, beside that which Solomon gave her of his royal bounty. So she turned and went to her own country, she and her servants.
[14] Now the weight of gold
that came to Solomon [freely as a gift]
in one year was
six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.
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Have you ever researched the proposed concept of "Universal Basic Income"?
In addition to my post above, I will now bring it into a clearer focus.
The mark of the beast (MoB), as revealed in Rev. 13:18, is meant to be for a reference only.
That reference, points directly to 1 Kings 10:14.
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Unfortunately, there is much error of human speculation surrounding Rev. 13:18, and it has been going on for approx. 2000 years. That speculation has taken such a deep root in our minds, that even the newer translations are being dictated by it.
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So then, for what I am about to show on that prophetic event, is it just more speculation, being added to the mountain that already exists?
One thing is for certain, my approach to it, is far different than the typical, that has been utilized in the past. I have come to realize that Rev. 13:18 is only a reference, and nothing more.
Let's get into it!
Rev. 13:18
Here is wisdom.
>Where is wisdom?
Ans. Wisdom is found in God's word, the Bible.
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Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
> hath understanding in what?
Ans. God's word about the number!
Why is that number used, right out of the blue, or is it to be "understood" from somewhere else in God's word, where one finds "wisdom"?

for it is the number of a man;

> What man?
Ans. A man who is found in the Bible, who has wisdom, namely King Solomon.
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and his number is
> What number is being referenced?
Ans. The written number of "six hundred, threescore and six".
> Why is it his (Solomon's) number?
Ans. That number is what he had to deal with in regards to Gold.

Six hundred threescore and six.
> Why is that number used in Rev. 13:18, and not another number, such as three hundred, two score and five??
Ans. It is a reference to scripture, that has more information for our understanding, and we are to search for it, so that we may learn it's meaning, being relative to that prophetic event, that shall be revealed in all the world.
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> Now, let's go to 1 Kings 10:14 and see King Solomon, a man of great wisdom.
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1 Kings 10[13] And king Solomon gave unto the queen of Sheba all her desire, whatsoever she asked, beside that which Solomon gave her of his royal bounty. So she turned and went to her own country, she and her servants.
[14]
Now the weight
> weight is a measure for something of value or purpose.
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of gold
What was the purpose of gold for Solomon, that it should be measured?
> It just happened to be the amount or measure that was gifted by the Queen of Sheeba to Solomon.
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that came to Solomon [freely as a gift]
> The mere fact that the gold came to Solomon, means he did not request it as payment, nor did he expect it.
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in one year
> Over a period of one year, is how Solomon was allotted the measure of gold, that came to him.
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was Six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.
> Again, that number was insignificant to Solomon, and also it is insignificant to us. However, as a reference point only, IT IS significant.

> As pertaining to that number, as a reference, any number would have been acceptable for Solomon, as well as for us.
Therefore, the number of itself is unimportant!!


2B cont'd

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I honestly believe that the time that we will fully understand Revelations will come at the appointed time. (God has kept some things hidden until that time).....and whatever Daniel read and John read and was told to eat it and not tell anyone what they read will become known.
His Church will come into the knowledge of His truth corporately as The Spirit of Truth reveals it.
Many people have been told by God to study and learn Greek and Hebrew here lately. These people are called by God to teach what they have learned. Many will reject the truth while others who are seeking truth will embrace it.
Be diligent to obey the Holy Spirit and teach what He reveals to you and let Him deal with those who do not have eyes to see or ears to hear.
God Bless.
 

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You are welcome!

Please compare the words used in Rev. 13[18]

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
for it is the number of a man;
and his number is
Six hundred threescore and six.
With

1 Kings 10[13] And king Solomon gave unto the queen of Sheba all her desire, whatsoever she asked, beside that which Solomon gave her of his royal bounty. So she turned and went to her own country, she and her servants.
[14] Now the weight of gold
that came to Solomon [freely as a gift]
in one year was
six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.
.
Have you ever researched the proposed concept of "Universal Basic Income"?

I haven’t researched “Universal Basic Income.” Do like what you shared of Solomon never made the connection before. But to be honest “universal basic income” is not where I thought you were going with it. The thread touches on the gold, the Jewels, and adornments outwardly in what can be corrupted. Could it be said Jesus Christ did the same as Solomon only instead of increase for worldly favour and goods for vanity; instead His increase was to give Hope of freedom from vanity. His (God’s)increase was and is always for another. As the verse on correction from our earthly father, God’s correction is “For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.”

To increase gold and precious jewels and inward adornments (the incorruptible where men can not break in and steal), to increase that which is the everlasting name of the Lord. To increase another’s wealth. Solomon as what you showed above the nature of man’s heart without God. Then there is the nature of God which is such a contradiction to that sinful nature of man without being born of God. Where I thought you were going with the number of the beast is to the image in Daniel...which was to receive the Lord but instead through that body prepared of God Jesus Christ crucified... cutting out of and setting apart the New Man created in Christ. Do you see two men...one the Son of prediction in Daniel and the Antichrist with the brightness of its head that the Lord showed God could very well bring down the great pride of as displayed in
Nebuchadnezzar? This great man in Daniel which shows all the kingdoms of man throughout time having the world set in his heart. Is this not the “another Jesus” the “another spirit” which seeks after the world? As Solomon increased in gold and women and chariots and wealth ...but all coming to Nothing ...all made vanity and void and unprofitable.

God said all created anew in the fullness, the stature of the New man created in Christ have been given a new heart ...the heart of stone tablet removed and the Laws written in a heart of flesh. This New Man; the Son of peace is He who God says come REST at His feet, feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace. Come Rest in the Peace of God and let the Peace of God rule the heart.

one Man with the same mind (pride)and spirit (mammon the root of all evil, corruption)which are many members: Romans 3:15-17
[15] Their feet are swift to shed blood: [16] Destruction and misery are in their ways: [17] And the way of peace have they not known: —Matthew 6:24
[24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

A new man created in Christ the Lord.
Isaiah 52:6-7 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. [7] How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth.


I guess the point being doesn’t all this “Antichrist” the another Jesus, the another spirit masquerading as light, the beast, the false prophets and false teachers all encompass so much more than one denomination or one way but speaks mostly of the way that leads to death?
 
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I haven’t researched “Universal Basic Income.” Do like what you shared of Solomon never made the connection before. But to be honest “universal basic income” is not where I thought you were going with it. The thread touches on the gold, the Jewels, and adornments outwardly in what can be corrupted. Could it be said Jesus Christ did the same as Solomon only instead of increase for worldly favour and goods for vanity; instead His increase was to give Hope of freedom from vanity. His (God’s)increase was and is always for another. As the verse on correction from our earthly father, God’s correction is “For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.”

To increase gold and precious jewels and inward adornments (the incorruptible where men can not break in and steal), to increase that which is the everlasting name of the Lord. To increase another’s wealth. Solomon as what you showed above the nature of man’s heart without God. Then there is the nature of God which is such a contradiction to that sinful nature of man without being born of God. Where I thought you were going with the number of the beast is to the image in Daniel...which was to receive the Lord but instead through that body prepared of God Jesus Christ crucified... cutting out of and setting apart the New Man created in Christ. Do you see two men...one the Son of prediction in Daniel and the Antichrist with the brightness of its head that the Lord showed God could very well bring down the great pride of as displayed in
Nebuchadnezzar? This great man in Daniel which shows all the kingdoms of man throughout time having the world set in his heart. Is this not the “another Jesus” the “another spirit” which seeks after the world? As Solomon increased in gold and women and chariots and wealth ...but all coming to Nothing ...all made vanity and void and unprofitable.

God said all created anew in the fullness, the stature of the New man created in Christ have been given a new heart ...the heart of stone tablet removed and the Laws written in a heart of flesh. This New Man; the Son of peace is He who God says come REST at His feet, feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace. Come Rest in the Peace of God and let the Peace of God rule the heart.

one Man with the same mind (pride)and spirit (mammon the root of all evil, corruption)which are many members: Romans 3:15-17
[15] Their feet are swift to shed blood: [16] Destruction and misery are in their ways: [17] And the way of peace have they not known: —Matthew 6:24
[24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

A new man created in Christ the Lord.
Isaiah 52:6-7 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. [7] How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth.


I guess the point being doesn’t all this “Antichrist” the another Jesus, the another spirit masquerading as light, the beast, the false prophets and false teachers all encompass so much more than one denomination or one way but speaks mostly of the way that leads to death?
The number of man=vanity vanity vanity