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justbyfaith

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It is when you remove God's grace from works, which you constantly do. That is your error, not ours.

Rom 11:5, Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6, And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

This passage refers to as concerning salvation.

Of course, 1 Corinthians 15:10 will tell us that the grace of God led Paul to labour more abundantly than they all...this is not to say that his labouring saved him in any sense of what is written.

But the first passage shows that grace and works are mutually exclusive when it comes to what saves a man.
 

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And of course, the fourth lie that I have caught you in is what is already mentioned...that the Catholic Church does indeed preach salvation by works; and you have said that this is not their teaching, when it is...which, you have lied not only to me but also to yourself on this matter.

To @BreadOfLife.

So now, you have told four lies and I have only told two...and the two that I did tell can be attributed to misinformation.

For most assuredly I say to you that I hate lying.
 

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And also, that Diotrephes was the first Pope is biblically viable...for the records of the Catholic Church may have been altered to substantiate the idea that Peter was the first Pope.

See 3 John 3:9-11; which identifies the sin of the abuse of the office of priesthood in unjustly excommunicating those who are righteous...something which the Catholic Church has been guilty of over the centuries.

If Diotrephes was not the first Pope, the passage in question still identifies a sin that has been prominent in the Catholic Church over time.

So that would make one of my two lies biblically viable and also capable of teaching you something.

Which indicates that it was told to you in love.

Since the following is true:

Pro 26:28, A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin.

It is very likely that this also, was not a lie.

So it looks like the score is 4-1. You have the higher score when it comes to lying...no doubt about it.

And if you will go back and look at the record, I believe that what I said was that Diotrephes may have been the first Pope.

I think that is what I said...because I had previously said that Constantine was the first Pope, and would not have contradicted myself so immensely. But I could be wrong.

Looked back right now, and the word I used was "perhaps".

So that was not a lie.
 
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I can also make a case that Constantine may have been the first Pope; but I do not want to put forth the time and effort to do so, as I have better things to do with my time.

And this means that that also may not have been a lie.

I have said to the Lord that if He says that I have done anything wrong, I will agree with Him that I did it on my day of judgment; and that I already agree with Him that I did it and that it was sin.

With this in mind, consider the following:

1Co 4:3, But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
1Co 4:4, For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
1Co 4:5, Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
 

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It is the very same thing...
No it's not.

Saying that YOU belong to an heretical online paramilitary cult (aggressivechristianity.net) is a fact.
Calling you a "gun nut" would be a completely different matter.
 

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No it's not.

Saying that YOU belong to an heretical online paramilitary cult (aggressivechristianity.net) is a fact.
Calling you a "gun nut" would be a completely different matter.
You really need to stay away from that forum BOL it upsets you.
liar
noun [ C ]
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/ˈlaɪ.ər/ us

/ˈlaɪ.ɚ/
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someone who tells lies:
He's such a liar - you can't trust a word he says.
[ as form of address ] You liar - I never touched it!

Seems you know all about.
 

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And of course, the fourth lie that I have caught you in is what is already mentioned...that the Catholic Church does indeed preach salvation by works; and you have said that this is not their teaching, when it is...which, you have lied not only to me but also to yourself on this matter.

To @BreadOfLife.

So now, you have told four lies and I have only told two...and the two that I did tell can be attributed to misinformation.
For most assuredly I say to you that I hate lying.
You haven't even named ONE lie.

And, if YOU hated lying so much - you wouldn't have been caught in the following THREE lies . . .
"Perhaps Diotrephes was the first Pope."
“Catholics believe in a ’works salvation’”.
“Constantine was the first Pope, and this was in the 4th century A.D.”


Your hypocrisy is matched only by your dishonesty . . .
 

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No it's not.

Saying that YOU belong to an heretical online paramilitary cult (aggressivechristianity.net) is a fact.
Calling you a "gun nut" would be a completely different matter.
Sorry, it's two against one.

On the testimony of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Your denial makes you a third witness to what the two of us are saying is true.
 

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You haven't even named ONE lie.

And, if YOU hated lying so much - you wouldn't have been caught in the following THREE lies . . .
"Perhaps Diotrephes was the first Pope."
“Catholics believe in a ’works salvation’”.
“Constantine was the first Pope, and this was in the 4th century A.D.”


Your hypocrisy is matched only by your dishonesty . . .
You are in denial about the lies that you have told.

That is the bottom line.

Good luck on your day of judgment. The Lord won't accept you if you don't confess your sins before Him (1 John 1:7-9).
 

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You really need to stay away from that forum BOL it upsets you.
I don't frequent your paramilitary cult's site "aggressivechtristianity.net", with its self--appointed "Generals".
I simply went there at YOUR suggestion to read what YOU believed in . . .
 

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And, if YOU hated lying so much - you wouldn't have been caught in the following THREE lies . . .
"Perhaps Diotrephes was the first Pope."
This was not a lie...(for I used the word "perhaps").

So that is another lie I have caught you in.

The score is 5-? (1 or less)
 
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I don't frequent your paramilitary cult's site "aggressivechtristianity.net", with its self--appointed "Generals".
I simply went there at YOUR suggestion to read what YOU believed in . . .
You must do always promoting it you just did again, you love it there do you, but it upsets you, so stop going there.
 

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Sorry, it's two against one.
On the testimony of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
Your denial makes you a third witness to what the two of us are saying is true.
Not if they believe in a different Christ than the Christ of Scripture.
The cult mjrhealth is involved in ia ANYTHING but Christian.
 

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You haven't even named ONE lie.
That is another lie (the score is 6-? (1 or less)).

For I named them when I edited a specific post. I tagged you telling you that I had edited it and even put forth a link. I suppose that I excuse you if you didn't read the post after it was edited...which is more than you would do for me.
 
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