1,260 Vs. 1,260

[Bobby Jo]

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@Mike Tang 1991 asked whether the Dan. 9 "Seventieth Week" 1/2 of the "week" (presuming 360 days per year = 3 1/2 years = 1,260 days) is the same duration as the Rev. 11 Two Witnesses 1,260 days of Prophetic Ministry.

MANY people offered their ignorance, but none offered their substantiation. And it seems to me that @Mike Tang 1991 deserves more than ignorance, so I'll offer the substantiation which both he and WE deserve.


1. First of all we must consider that Daniel's audience is both the Summary and the END TIME DETAILS of the sequence of World Empires:

Dan. 2
31 “You saw, O king, and behold, a great image. This image, mighty and of exceeding brightness, stood before you, and its appearance was frightening. 32 The head of this image was of fine gold, its breast and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, 33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. 34 As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it smote the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces

Dan. 12
4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.
​

And this is all well and good, except that where ALL Prophetic Chapters are to the Nations of the Earth, Dan. 9 is different:

Dan. 9
2 ... I, Daniel, perceived in the books the number of years which, according to the word of the Lord to Jeremiah the prophet ...
​

Because Daniel was NOT called to prophecy to the Jews, he had to don the Mantle of Jeremiah so that he could prophesy to his kinsmen. But the "riddle" continues, for this Prophetic Chapter is ALSO "shut up and sealed until the time of the end".

2. Secondly, where the text was possibly written in about 610 BC or so, the "commentators" pronounced what was NEITHER SCRIPTURAL NOR HISTORICAL by FALSELY assigning the Inconcise Masculine Gender Text "weeks" as though it were the Concise Feminine Gender Text "weeks" (seventy "sevens"). As such they continued with their ERRORS by not waiting to the era approximate to 1948, but instead assigned the UNSEALING of this Prophecy effective some 583 BC.

3. Accordingly, EVERYTHING the commentators assert regarding the Prophecies of Daniel are garbage, from the Chapter 8 purported "Grecian", to the Chapter 9 "weeks", to the Chapter 11 "Grecian".

4. And when considering whether the "Seventieth Week" is FINALLY an end-time fulfillment, one merely must consider the THREE FOLD Sequence:

27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
​

... where:

(1) the first half of the week
(2) the second half of the week
(3) the "SHALL COME" which occurs some duration AFTER the Seventieth Week
​

5. And when taken in the CORRECT Scriptural Text, CORRECT Scriptural Sentences, and CORRECT History, we CAN CORRECTLY INTERPRET THIS CHAPTER. And to prove the point, most "translations" interpret the "Seven" and the "Sixty-two" as though it conveyed the purported value of "Sixty-Nine", which Newton correctly observed "does violence" to Scripture. And so the RSV and a few others correctly stipulate that there is ONE "anointed one" (not capital "m" messiah as "interpreted") after the Seven, and a SECOND "anointed one" after the Sixty-two. And last I checked, Jesus DIDN'T have an "older brother":

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off ...​

6. So per the above, it can be additionally PROVEN that the Seventieth Week is NOT a "Tribulation" occurrence, and I can provide that additional evidence to anyone interested upon request!

7. As such, we DO KNOW that the Two Witnesses are not only evidenced during the 3 1/2 year (NOT "seven year") Tribulation as specified in Rev. 13:5. And because we've apparently entered the Tribulation in the Spring of 2019, it equally appears that these Two Witnesses are going about GOD's Work, where ONE of the Two Witnesses is OBVIOUS, the SECOND seems to be LESS OBVIOUS --, although many have speculated as to his "behind the scenes" identity.


So I hope this helps convey a simple but accurate defense which others have misrepresented in their ignorance.

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

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[Mike Tang 1991]

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@Mike Tang 1991 asked whether the Dan. 9 "Seventieth Week" 1/2 of the "week" (presuming 360 days per year = 3 1/2 years = 1,260 days) is the same duration as the Rev. 11 Two Witnesses 1,260 days of Prophetic Ministry.

MANY people offered their ignorance, but none offered their substantiation. And it seems to me that @Mike Tang 1991 deserves more than ignorance, so I'll offer the substantiation which both he and WE deserve.


1. First of all we must consider that Daniel's audience is both the Summary and the END TIME DETAILS of the sequence of World Empires:

Dan. 2
31 “You saw, O king, and behold, a great image. This image, mighty and of exceeding brightness, stood before you, and its appearance was frightening. 32 The head of this image was of fine gold, its breast and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, 33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. 34 As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it smote the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces

Dan. 12
4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.
​

And this is all well and good, except that where ALL Prophetic Chapters are to the Nations of the Earth, Dan. 9 is different:

Dan. 9
2 ... I, Daniel, perceived in the books the number of years which, according to the word of the Lord to Jeremiah the prophet ...
​

Because Daniel was NOT called to prophecy to the Jews, he had to don the Mantle of Jeremiah so that he could prophesy to his kinsmen. But the "riddle" continues, for this Prophetic Chapter is ALSO "shut up and sealed until the time of the end".

2. Secondly, where the text was possibly written in about 610 BC or so, the "commentators" pronounced what was NEITHER SCRIPTURAL NOR HISTORICAL by FALSELY assigning the Inconcise Masculine Gender Text "weeks" as though it were the Concise Feminine Gender Text "weeks" (seventy "sevens"). As such they continued with their ERRORS by not waiting to the era approximate to 1948, but instead assigned the UNSEALING of this Prophecy effective some 583 BC.

3. Accordingly, EVERYTHING the commentators assert regarding the Prophecies of Daniel are garbage, from the Chapter 8 purported "Grecian", to the Chapter 9 "weeks", to the Chapter 11 "Grecian".

4. And when considering whether the "Seventieth Week" is FINALLY an end-time fulfillment, one merely must consider the THREE FOLD Sequence:

27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
​

... where:

(1) the first half of the week
(2) the second half of the week
(3) the "SHALL COME" which occurs some duration AFTER the Seventieth Week
​

5. And when taken in the CORRECT Scriptural Text, CORRECT Scriptural Sentences, and CORRECT History, we CAN CORRECTLY INTERPRET THIS CHAPTER. And to prove the point, most "translations" interpret the "Seven" and the "Sixty-two" as though it conveyed the purported value of "Sixty-Nine", which Newton correctly observed "does violence" to Scripture. And so the RSV and a few others correctly stipulate that there is ONE "anointed one" (not capital "m" messiah as "interpreted") after the Seven, and a SECOND "anointed one" after the Sixty-two. And last I checked, Jesus DIDN'T have an "older brother":

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off ...​

6. So per the above, it can be additionally PROVEN that the Seventieth Week is NOT a "Tribulation" occurrence, and I can provide that additional evidence to anyone interested upon request!

7. As such, we DO KNOW that the Two Witnesses are not only evidenced during the 3 1/2 year (NOT "seven year") Tribulation as specified in Rev. 13:5. And because we've apparently entered the Tribulation in the Spring of 2019, it equally appears that these Two Witnesses are going about GOD's Work, where ONE of the Two Witnesses is OBVIOUS, the SECOND seems to be LESS OBVIOUS --, although many have speculated as to his "behind the scenes" identity.


So I hope this helps convey a simple but accurate defense which others have misrepresented in their ignorance.

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

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Thanks for the clarification

How do you know the Tribulation period started in the Spring of 2019?

 

[Bobby Jo]

Thanks for the clarification
How do you know the Tribulation period started in the Spring of 2019?

Hi MT,

As I suggested regarding the Dan. 9 FALSE "interpretation" by the "commentators", we should recognize that GOD has a TRUE Interpretation. So if we start with Dan. 9:2, we should realize the following:

1. The word interpreted as "perceived" is the Hebrew "biyn". And if reading 1 King 3, we should grasp that Soloman, in his humility, asked for "shama" wisdom which is the lowest form of wisdom. Then GOD said HE'd grant him his request and give him BIYN, the HIGHEST form of wisdom, such that no man before him or no man after him shall have such BIYN. [Remember, Solomon asked for SHAMA.]

2. Young cites that the "going forth of the word" is not from a man-king, but from GOD HIMSELF. So if we were to look in "the books" for a COMMANDMENT to create an "Israel", then we'd be well served to start by finding a CORNERSTONE Chapter which virtually every adult over the age of ~40 can recite with only a few prompts. -- And THAT CHAPTER is Psalm 23.

3. Then having located the CORNERSTONE, then look to the following Chapter for the start of building, and see if there is a COMMAND to Rebuild Jerusalem. (Ref. "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms", by J.R. Church) -- And to verify the premise, take a look at Psalm 48 to see if you find the International Recognition of the State of Israel; don't look to find the "Six-Day-War", because it's lost in all the PLO attacks against Israel; but DO find the 1991 "Desert Storm".​

So far so good?
Bobby Jo

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[Timtofly]

It was the fall of 2019.

3.5 years until Passover of April 5th, 2023.

 

[Mike Tang 1991]

It was the fall of 2019.

3.5 years until Passover of April 5th, 2023.

How do you know it started in Fall of 2019?

 

[Bobby Jo]

How do you know it started in Fall of 2019?

Did you follow the previous explanation to where I asked "So far so good?", or did you simply want to remain ignorant of what Scripture and History DOCUMENT so that you can blindly and REPEATEDLY ask "How do you know?" -- and then justify your dismissal of the TRUTH?

Of course, just so we both know, -- most Christians can't handle the TRUTH. They're comfortable in their "christian cult"; comfortable being told what to think; and comfortable not having to think for themselves or receive by themselves. So if this is the case, PLEASE join the Majority of today's "christianity" as you sip their milk and are unable to mature in the Faith.

Matt. 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force.
-- Which is to say that the kingdom of heaven is available to those who PURSUE IT, and it is obtained by ARDENT ACTION.
​

You can recline on the sofa eating Lays potato chips, drinking a Pepsi, while watching Oprah, -- and think that's sufficient.

Make your choice.
Bobby Jo

 

[Mike Tang 1991]

Did you follow the previous explanation to where I asked "So far so good?", or did you simply want to remain ignorant of what Scripture and History DOCUMENT so that you can blindly and REPEATEDLY ask "How do you know?" -- and then justify your dismissal of the TRUTH?

Of course, just so we both know, -- most Christians can't handle the TRUTH. They're comfortable in their "christian cult"; comfortable being told what to think; and comfortable not having to think for themselves or receive by themselves. So if this is the case, PLEASE join the Majority of today's "christianity" as you sip their milk and are unable to mature in the Faith.

Matt. 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force.
-- Which is to say that the kingdom of heaven is available to those who PURSUE IT, and it is obtained by ARDENT ACTION.
​

Or you can recline on the sofa eating Lays potato chips, drinking a Pepsi, while watching Oprah, -- and think that's sufficient.

Make your choice.
Bobby Jo

I did read it but not sure how it lead you to the conclusion the Tribulation started in Spring of 2019

 

[Bobby Jo]

I did read it but not sure how it lead you to the conclusion the Tribulation started in Spring of 2019

Hey MT,

Did you catch the part "... so far ...", or did you think that was rhetorical?


Perhaps you might be better just following what you're told by your "Authority Figure" and not doing so much independent though processing?

Bobby Jo.

 

[Davy]

Thanks for the clarification

How do you know the Tribulation period started in the Spring of 2019?

I wouldn't be so quick to accept Bobby Jo's doctrines of men, which mostly resemble the doctrines of the Seventh Day Adventist bunch.

The Book of Daniel was... written to God's people, and specifically about the location of Jerusalem and its people in relation to Judah's 70 years Babylon captivity, even though they and Daniel didn't really understand all the prophecy given Daniel in his day.

And trying to determine just when... the time came when it was unsealed to be understood really isn't that difficult, because Jesus told His Apostles to not leave Jerusalem until they received The Holy Spirit. And thus everyone that believes on Jesus is apt to be sealed for the end by The Holy Spirit, and able to understand it. So the Book of Daniel has been WIDE OPEN in understanding since The Holy Spirit was given His Apostles after Jesus' death and resurrection.

Daniel in the Daniel 9th Chapter refers to his reading of Jeremiah, where God had foretold the number of years that Judah would be captive to Babylon. Jeremiah 29 is specifically what Daniel was reading, where God promised to return Judah after 70 years in Babylon had passed. There is NO MYSTERY OF NUMBERS about this like some try to establish, even subversively citing Sir Isaac Newton. Daniel was simply reading from the Book of Jeremiah about the prophesied return back to Jerusalem-Judea after their 70 Years Babylon captivity. The 70 years captivity to Babylon is simply symbolic of the Daniel 9 chapter 70 sevens prophesy, and that's all. It's like Daniel was studying about the 70 years captivity in the Book of Jeremiah, and God then sent the angel Gabriel to Daniel to show him an even bigger meaning for 70 years involving Jerusalem after Daniel's days.

In Daniel 9:24, the angel Gabriel gave Daniel the 70 weeks prophecy, which is to be understood as periods of years, so a symbolic week = 7 years. This we know for a fact because when God's Word means a literal period of weeks, it says so, like in Daniel 10:3 about the "three weeks" when he didn't eat meat or drink wine. So don't allow men's leaven doctrines to confuse you on those 70 weeks meaning weeks of years, for that is how the prophecy timing is known.

The 70 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9 is specifically... involving Jerusalem and her people. It is NOT about Christ's Church. So we are to look to Jerusalem and her people for those events Daniel was given.

The 70 weeks are to cover a period from the command for the Jews to return to Jerusalem and re-build, until the time of Christ's crucifixion ending the 69th Week. The title, "Messiah the Prince" in Daniel 9:25 can only be about Jesus Christ, for that phrase means a priest-king of which only... applies to Lord Jesus Christ, our King and High Priest after the Order of Melchizedek. So we don't need no special dilly-dallying around with the idea of the word 'messiah'. It's about Jesus, and that's that. And the time of His being "cut off" we are told there is at the end of the 69th week.

Period 1. 7 sevens = 49 literal years: begins 454 B.C. -- command to restore, rebuild, the return to Jerusalem from Babylon, up to 405 B.C.
Period 2. 62 sevens = 434 literal years : 405 B.C. to 29 A.D. -- the date when Jesus was crucified ("cut off"); Add no.1 and no.2 = 69 weeks (483 literal years), easy.

Period 3. 1 seven: a 7 year period, the "one week" of Daniel 9:27. Reserved for the very end of this world in the time of "great tribulation" that Jesus warned of the placing of the "abomination of desolation" idol in a new temple in Jerusalem for the end. Daniel 11 with what the "vile person" does in Jerusalem gives more detail about the placing of this abomination idol inside a temple in Jerusalem which spiritually desolates that temple in false worship.

Mark 13:14
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
KJV

Matt 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand KJV

When Lord Jesus said the above, that officially unlocked understanding in the Book of Daniel about the 'end' for those with The Holy Spirit. What Lord Jesus did with quoting about that abomination idol being placed in a temple in Jerusalem, He showed that is to happen at the very end of this world, and that... event is actually what starts off the "great tribulation" time for the end of this world in the last generation.

 

[Bobby Jo]

@Mike Tang 1991

Just so we know, -- if you asked me to explain how to replace a defective Fuel Injector, there are about 15 steps to take, and ONE step you can disregard, JUST to GET to the Fuel Injector; with three minor considerations when removing the Fuel Injector.

So when you attempt to bypass the 15 and jump DIRECTLY to the Three Considerations, you've wasted both our time and demonstrate your immaturity.


Please be mature.
Bobby Jo

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[Curtis]

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@Mike Tang 1991 asked whether the Dan. 9 "Seventieth Week" 1/2 of the "week" (presuming 360 days per year = 3 1/2 years = 1,260 days) is the same duration as the Rev. 11 Two Witnesses 1,260 days of Prophetic Ministry.

MANY people offered their ignorance, but none offered their substantiation. And it seems to me that @Mike Tang 1991 deserves more than ignorance, so I'll offer the substantiation which both he and WE deserve.


1. First of all we must consider that Daniel's audience is both the Summary and the END TIME DETAILS of the sequence of World Empires:

Dan. 2
31 “You saw, O king, and behold, a great image. This image, mighty and of exceeding brightness, stood before you, and its appearance was frightening. 32 The head of this image was of fine gold, its breast and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, 33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. 34 As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it smote the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces

Dan. 12
4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.
​

And this is all well and good, except that where ALL Prophetic Chapters are to the Nations of the Earth, Dan. 9 is different:

Dan. 9
2 ... I, Daniel, perceived in the books the number of years which, according to the word of the Lord to Jeremiah the prophet ...
​

Because Daniel was NOT called to prophecy to the Jews, he had to don the Mantle of Jeremiah so that he could prophesy to his kinsmen. But the "riddle" continues, for this Prophetic Chapter is ALSO "shut up and sealed until the time of the end".

2. Secondly, where the text was possibly written in about 610 BC or so, the "commentators" pronounced what was NEITHER SCRIPTURAL NOR HISTORICAL by FALSELY assigning the Inconcise Masculine Gender Text "weeks" as though it were the Concise Feminine Gender Text "weeks" (seventy "sevens"). As such they continued with their ERRORS by not waiting to the era approximate to 1948, but instead assigned the UNSEALING of this Prophecy effective some 583 BC.

3. Accordingly, EVERYTHING the commentators assert regarding the Prophecies of Daniel are garbage, from the Chapter 8 purported "Grecian", to the Chapter 9 "weeks", to the Chapter 11 "Grecian".

4. And when considering whether the "Seventieth Week" is FINALLY an end-time fulfillment, one merely must consider the THREE FOLD Sequence:

27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
​

... where:

(1) the first half of the week
(2) the second half of the week
(3) the "SHALL COME" which occurs some duration AFTER the Seventieth Week
​

5. And when taken in the CORRECT Scriptural Text, CORRECT Scriptural Sentences, and CORRECT History, we CAN CORRECTLY INTERPRET THIS CHAPTER. And to prove the point, most "translations" interpret the "Seven" and the "Sixty-two" as though it conveyed the purported value of "Sixty-Nine", which Newton correctly observed "does violence" to Scripture. And so the RSV and a few others correctly stipulate that there is ONE "anointed one" (not capital "m" messiah as "interpreted") after the Seven, and a SECOND "anointed one" after the Sixty-two. And last I checked, Jesus DIDN'T have an "older brother":

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off ...​

6. So per the above, it can be additionally PROVEN that the Seventieth Week is NOT a "Tribulation" occurrence, and I can provide that additional evidence to anyone interested upon request!

7. As such, we DO KNOW that the Two Witnesses are not only evidenced during the 3 1/2 year (NOT "seven year") Tribulation as specified in Rev. 13:5. And because we've apparently entered the Tribulation in the Spring of 2019, it equally appears that these Two Witnesses are going about GOD's Work, where ONE of the Two Witnesses is OBVIOUS, the SECOND seems to be LESS OBVIOUS --, although many have speculated as to his "behind the scenes" identity.


So I hope this helps convey a simple but accurate defense which others have misrepresented in their ignorance.

With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

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The tribulation is 7 years with a division of tribulation for 42 months and great tribulation for 42 months.

The rapture is pre great trib, pre mark, pre wrath, and premillennial.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... Bobby Jo's doctrines of men, which mostly resemble the doctrines of the Seventh Day Adventist bunch ...

No Seventh Day Adventist involved, but people who ARE PROGRAMMED into False Doctrines typically have difficulty seeing the simple Scripture and History which both agree.

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The tribulation is 7 years ...

The church teaches a LOT of lies:

Jesus was GOD
Jesus was PERFECT
Jesus will PROVIDE
Dan. 1:21 & 10:1 don't agree [Daniel DID DIE in the FIRST Year of Cyrus]
Dan. 2 prescribes FOUR World Empires, when Vs. 45 says FIVE [4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE]
Dan. 8 accounts for Alexanders FOUR Generals [there were FIVE which lasted for 40 years]
Daniel's seventy sevens = 490 years
Daniel's seventieth seven is the Tribulation
Dan. 12: 4 & 9 don't prevent Ancient "Interpretations"
Rev. 12 SEVEN diadems versus Rev. 13 TEN diadems
We can't know the Week, Month, Season, Year (1), Decade (10), Score (20), Century (100), Daytona (500), or Millennia (1,000), when we can know EACH of these.

Lies upon lies, ignorance upon ignorance, for the gullible listener upon gullible listener.


Matt. 15:13 He answered, “Every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides. ...

​

Scripture in accordance with History teaches the TRUTH which MOST have yet to discover.

Bobby Jo

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[Davy]

No Seventh Day Adventist involved, but people who ARE PROGRAMMED into False Doctrines typically have difficulty seeing the simple Scripture and History which both agree.

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The church teaches a LOT of lies:

Jesus was GOD
Jesus was PERFECT
Jesus will PROVIDE
Dan. 1:21 & 10:1 don't agree [Daniel DID DIE in the FIRST Year of Cyrus]
Dan. 2 prescribes FOUR World Empires, when Vs. 45 says FIVE [4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE]
Dan. 8 accounts for Alexanders FOUR Generals [there were FIVE which lasted for 40 years]
Daniel's seventy sevens = 490 years
Daniel's seventieth seven is the Tribulation
Dan. 12: 4 & 9 don't prevent Ancient "Interpretations"
Rev. 12 SEVEN diadems versus Rev. 13 TEN diadems
We can't know the Week, Month, Season, Year (1), Decade (10), Score (20), Century (100), Daytona (500), or Millennia (1,000), when we can know EACH of these.

Lies upon lies, ignorance upon ignorance, for the gullible listener upon gullible listener.


Matt. 15:13 He answered, “Every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides. ...

​

Scripture in accordance with History teaches the TRUTH which MOST have yet to discover.

Bobby Jo

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Sorry, I'm not a follower of Ellen White and her SDA theories. I prefer to stay with God's Word as written.

 

[Curtis]

No Seventh Day Adventist involved, but people who ARE PROGRAMMED into False Doctrines typically have difficulty seeing the simple Scripture and History which both agree.

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The church teaches a LOT of lies:

Jesus was GOD
Jesus was PERFECT
Jesus will PROVIDE
Dan. 1:21 & 10:1 don't agree [Daniel DID DIE in the FIRST Year of Cyrus]
Dan. 2 prescribes FOUR World Empires, when Vs. 45 says FIVE [4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE]
Dan. 8 accounts for Alexanders FOUR Generals [there were FIVE which lasted for 40 years]
Daniel's seventy sevens = 490 years
Daniel's seventieth seven is the Tribulation
Dan. 12: 4 & 9 don't prevent Ancient "Interpretations"
Rev. 12 SEVEN diadems versus Rev. 13 TEN diadems
We can't know the Week, Month, Season, Year (1), Decade (10), Score (20), Century (100), Daytona (500), or Millennia (1,000), when we can know EACH of these.

Lies upon lies, ignorance upon ignorance, for the gullible listener upon gullible listener.


Matt. 15:13 He answered, “Every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides. ...

​

Scripture in accordance with History teaches the TRUTH which MOST have yet to discover.

Bobby Jo

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Heresy is denying that Jesus is without sin. Being sinless is the epitome of perfect.

 

[Davy]

Heresy is denying that Jesus is without sin. Being sinless is the epitome of perfect.

Wait a minute. Are you saying Lord Jesus Christ sinned in His flesh?

Nowhere is that idea ever written about Him. Instead it is written that He had NO sin, and that He was perfect, which only GOD can do that, and is one of the ways we know He is God having come in the flesh, which is the meaning of His name 'Immanuel' (God with us).