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    tabletalk Well-Known Member

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    1Peter 2:24 and Isaiah 53:5 proclaim this truth. None of the surrounding verses even hint that this healing is physical, mental or emotional healing.
    Wouldn't this healing be spiritual? Reconciliation with God? Peace with God?

    So, why do the faith healers use these verses to "prove" they have the spiritual gift of healing?
     
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    If the healing were physical, wouldn't that mean that upon His death, all sicknesses would be eradicated? No one would ever get sick again because by His stripes we were physically healed. And not just Christians, but everyone. Christ died for everyone, not just a select group.

    Now with that being said, what is the purpose of the laying on of hands? Everyone's already been healed. As a matter of fact, everyone born after the crucifixion would be healthy.

    That's if the healing were physical.

    Personally, I believe the healing is spiritual. The description of what happened upon His death and just prior to it is all spiritual in nature. "By His stripes we were healed" is a spiritual description, not unlike "bruised for our iniquities" or "wounded for our transgressions".

    Everything about the New Covenant is spiritual in nature. Even the worship of God. God is a spirit and all who worship Him must worship Him in spirit. It makes no sense to make everything spiritual except healing.
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    Tabletalk, I can only share what I have witnessed God do. I agree that "with his stripes we are healed" promises spiritual healing. This whole movement (faith healers) only focus seems to be on physical healing first and because of that, they possibly rob others of true healing. I post often on the subject, not to condemn others of having faith for healing, but in hopes I may send at least one person running toward the only One that can heal. True healing begins with a new birth.

    We should never downplay the POWER of spiritual healing because there is where it all happens. Forgiveness is powerful. Especially when that forgiveness comes from God.

    Once the Spirit comes in and restores a relationship with God, a person healed spirituality can and will manifest physical signs of that new birth. Example: soul wounds and scars from trauma experienced in childhood can be healed, manifesting as freedom in the flesh. Examples: anxiety, phobias, social disorders, alcoholism, drug addiction, and illness. God does heal, but spiritually first. If the spiritual is bypassed then the person is operating on their own and can expect to see no real change. How often did the Lord say: “thou art made whole”? Healing begins inwardly before it can manifest outwardly.

    The last thing I want is to persuade someone chronically ill or trapped in an addiction from believing God heals. But healing takes a restored relationship with God. Without that relationship it is all just a show. (John 8) “ Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” Then you can see miracles which are often soft and subtle and not usually broadcasted on a stage before a large audience. I would love nothing more than for God to show up right now and heal everyone instantly touched by a believer, thereby showing all those that reject Him that HE is God...but that is not how God operates. Even when God did put His son and the disciples before an audience (so they would know God sent them), they suffered heavy persecution for the message of God. They didn't receive praise and were not exalted by the world. Which is evidence that the reward does not come by way of this world, but comes when Christ reigns.

     
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    because in most cases they are full of it.

    healing of the miraculous type, that is of God, requires the Presence of God in the request in the Presence of God to be healed. not a lot of verbiage and scripture quotes from a con.
     
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    So you never done a word study on it (Obviously)and you fancy coming in to teach :) . Why dont any of you self proclaimed teachers. Not fear what Christ said about what He will subtract from you in revelation?????? If you at the very least said this is what I think you would be coverd. But no bold as brass telling it like it is:) man alive.
     
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    Did they? then obviously no. Did all get saved when He died on the cross? No. So why would they get healed in the way you are saying? They would not.
    Did Christ pay for all to be saved Yes He did fact. will all be saved probably not. Not for me to say as a fact.
    Did He pay for our healing Yes he did fact. Are or will all be healed definetly not. Why becuase of all the unbelief.
    If you dont get this you are in unbelief whiether you know it or not.
    least you forget Christ said will I find any faith when I return? Will He . Not looking like He will in here.

    Read the above again.

    The healing is physical and were told to go lay hands. That is a biblical fact. So why are you even trying to question it?

    And obviously you also never done a word search on this scripture verse. How can I be so sure? If you did you would not be saying what you are. Your both wrong.

    What nonsense. Everything Jesus done was healing every day every where He went He healed them all always. Its almost like He done nothing else but healing and teaching about it. But you and the whole church are blind. We know Jesus and we are spiritaul and we are supposed to walk in the spirit. But Christians are mostly all and mostly all the time walking in the fleah. Laying hands on the sick is spirit. ANy thing you do that is Gods will is spirit.
     
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    Well unlike you the people out there praying for the sick are taking a swing whist you hide in willfull ignorance. What nonsense the presence of God. God told you I will never leave you or forsake you. So you are talking like He comes and goes.
     
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    I don't question the Word. It's your interpretation of it that is in question.
     
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    Like i said you like to ask question and make bold statements but you dont like to answer questions.
     
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    Job Well-Known Member

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    How old are you?
     
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    Sword, If your proclamations are true and you do indeed lay hands on the sick and they instantly recover, then go to the hospital and visit cancer patients. Start with the children. Do you understand how frustrating it is? You tell us you have truth. That we are the ones deceived. Yet, you would rather live in blindness rather than confront the truth. A man has already stood in the gap. That man was Jesus. I feel for you because, this whole movement of speaking and twisting scripture to serve advancement in this life may possibly be the broad road. Check your motives. No condemnation; I have been there and my motives were steamed out of a need for validation and worth. Don't tell me you are different and do it all for Christ; a lack of worth pours off of you. I asked God repeatedly what my problem was, why I felt so hallow and needed the worlds approval:

    1) a lack of reverence for God
    2) a lack of genuine love for Jesus
    3) no definition for who I am

    God is the only one that can provide all three.
     
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    Why do unbelievers always go for the cancer patiant or raising the dead? Them that dont believe or try to walk in it . dont except any thing about healing. But then you demand of me what God longs for. God is looking for people who will go to the cancer wards.
    I am walking in healing . I never said I seen everyone healed. I bever said I seen cancer healed . But I went and you never . I will continue to grow in Him and imitate Him every where I go. Abd you tell me what I should do. You are looking for fault. Why cant you except scripture is full of healing the whole bible is healing. But you unbelievers want to fight God and anyone who gets on to the field picks up the bat and has a swing. You are the exact same as the pharises. You will not go. even though scripture stell you to go. Believers this is why I call you an unbelievers./ Oh Yes you were just selfish enough to believe for YOUR salvation. But you will not beliecve God heals the sick when someone walks in faith. Faith moves the mountian. askl in my name and nothing shall be inpossible for YOU. Not God but man You it says. one of these scriptures should be enough for you. But No I am a liar and I misinterprit scripture. Yes thats must be what it is. I am wrong. I seen over sixty people healed AT MY HANDS WITH MY FAITH IN GOD and Christ finnised work. And you have the gaul to tell me to go to a cancer ward. You and the whole church are cowards. You have all fallen for stans lies. You are willfully ignorant like the rest, Read the document I posted with every single healing scripture in it. ANd if you can read that with an open heart and find a flaw in it. I will never post here again. I cant believe this contiual bombardment of people who have NO XPERIANCE try ing to tell me I am wrong and you are right. You have scripture you think is correct. I have scripture I think is correct. I have over 60 healed . You have nothing. That tells the whole story. But now I said this and your all hurt. oh look at him hes bragging hes full of his self.
    I seen the same garbage from many many so called believers.


    Frustration is one of the signs of the flesh. You need to die to self. And let God have sway through your spirit which is perfect in Gods eyes.



    You want to take me on in the 1v1 debate on healing I offerd everyone the chance here in public. I am confronting every day in here and the vast majority are againt me. I aint rtunning anywhere. I am here to confront. You let me know if you want to go one v one on healing. If you read the document You will not debate after it. so instead of being in here telling me of your frustration read the document. I know for a fact you will not want to debate after it. But you will be left with a decision to make. To walk in it or run from it. Most run from it and will never see healing.




    Show me where I twisted scripture? And if you cant you owe an apoligy. If you can, you need to quote. I am getting a little feed up of people makeing false accusations


    You know nothing about me but feel you have the right to question my motives for laying hands on the sick. I do not need aproval if I started tellling you about what the scriptures say about me and I agree you would call me arrogant.
    If I told you I have went to hospitals and prayed for cancer riddled children and seen the healed you would call me a liar. You are already calling me a liar. And you feel for me? You dont feel for me. If you felt for me a a brother should you would come to me in private . and say something like Brother I want to thank youi. etc but I see you saying thing I dont think are quite right. That is not your approach, That of a caring Christian, dont you kid your self miost of you are full of hatred for me. As I grow in this and come up against your like as often as I have, I am growing more. As I sounld not comprehend and still cant. Get my head around why you and all the chirstian st that know me from my olsd church. in my little vollage where most of the people got healed. They dont bel;ieve it even now. So how could I expect you lot to believ anything i say. BUt the Good news is thsi. and this is the reason I am even here. I always find Gods remanant. In a forum. There are about five in here. who know and dont always get involved . But they d send PMs encoutraging me. and I need a little with the continual bombardment against me. Yes it is noce to get a pat on the back and told to keep going. I could walk away. I am hear for any with an open ear. and there are always some. Bless God. So they listen they grow and you are sitting dead in your unbelief. and this will so sting you that you will see nothing I posted.

    You are now judging me. You know nothing of me.
    I am going to nuify what you just said. Lord I thank you for my sister. You love here and so do I. I ask Father God that you dont hold this against her or any one else in here in Jesus name. Thank you Father that you hear me and I am your son. And I fully represent you in all I do in Jesus name . Amen.
     
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    Here's an excellent example of how not to speak to a brother or sister in Christ.
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    Try telling paul that.
     
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    Paul disagrees with you.
     
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    Sword says, "You are looking for fault. Why cant you except scripture is full of healing the whole bible is healing. But you unbelievers want to fight God and anyone who gets on to the field picks up the bat and has a swing. You are the exact same as the pharises. You will not go. even though scripture stell you to go. Believers this is why I call you an unbelievers./ Oh Yes you were just selfish enough to believe for YOUR salvation. But you will not beliecve God heals the sick when someone walks in faith. Faith moves the mountian. ask in my name and nothing shall be inpossible for YOU. Not God but man You it says. one of these scriptures should be enough for you. But No I am a liar and I misinterprit scripture. Yes thats must be what it is. I am wrong. I seen over sixty people healed AT MY HANDS WITH MY FAITH IN GOD and Christ finnised work. And you have the gaul to tell me to go to a cancer ward."

    First) the ask "in my name" is key the part and that doesn't mean tacking on "in Jesus Christ name" at the end of a prayer as automatic proof that we asking in His name. It MEANS ask "IN my name". Ask for Christ. Not self.

    Second) you said "But you unbelievers want to fight God and anyone who gets on to the field picks up the bat and has a swing. You are the exact same as the pharises. You will not go." Don't presume we won't go, just because we don't follow your model. I have a friend I have had since childhood. She has lost her only daughter, her only sister, and her father. All in the past couple of years. The count of total deaths in her family is in the upper twenties and now her husband who is only in his forties weighs eighty pounds and is hanging onto life by a shred. Her daughter played with my daughter growing up, same as she and I did. Her daughter died from an overdose. My daughter could do the same at any moment. At God's command, I had to be the one to stare into the photos my friend, full of excitement and hope, shared of orbs that held faces of her passed loved ones and tell her that her family members are not communicating with her from the grave. I had to tell her that what she sees and communicates with daily are familiar spirits. At God's command, I had to tell her the medium she sees is actually communicating with familiar spirits and that is how they know secrets her daughter shared with her and no one else. At God's command, I had to deflate her hope and means of coping with the disappointment of this world. At God's command, I had to tell her to go to God in her grief, and to not entertain these spirits a moment longer. And now, I have lost a friend. A friend that thinks I am insensitive. And maybe I am. Have you lost anything, sword? It is easy to stand bold and shout and walk on a high. But what about when it cost you? What about when it cost you shame and embarrassment and loss and maybe even your sanity? So don't tell me no one in the forums "takes a swing" for God, except you. You have no idea what any of us sacrifice to be obedient.

    "Show me where I twisted scripture? And if you cant you owe an apoligy. If you can, you need to quote. I am getting a little feed up of people makeing false accusations" I am not going to apologize this time. I fell headlong into that movement. I know the scriptures used to support it. I don't have to read your document. God does heal. You seem to miss no one is disputing God's power. But as far as this healing movement, God has already spoken that it is a lie and false. I have problems distinguishing between His voice and my own voice. But on this, I do not doubt.



    Watch her drunk display. No need to watch the whole thing. Five minutes is enough. Tell me that is the Spirit of God????
     
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    Beautiful post.
     
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    This never seases to amaze me. I asked you 5 questions you never answerd one. This is so repetitive and boyond belief. Any chance?????
    This gonna be other childeish oneway conversation?????????? Why do you think you can all ask the questions and expect answers but do answerr mine? This is so pathetic. I teach my children what seems like you never been taught????? I answerd all your questions
     
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    Part one. with the 10.000 limit


    So in your opinion if you say in jesus name at the start that works and if its at the end that purely self? Can you not see how utterly ridiculas that is. You dont have a single scripture to back that up in any way shape or form.

    PS
    Just typing away at the near end and Holy Ghost just droped a bomb on me.
    He said in your quote. You ask and then in His name boom baby boom. Not his name and then ask. In the verse YOU quoted. Haha thats good Lord I like that little gem.

     
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    Part two.


    So why you not doing it? Is that what YOU think I am doing? There is a man in here who know me and my life and my familey who has been blessed through my ministry to him and his family. He satnds by having never said a word to anyone in here just looking at what I am going through. He is one of my best friends. I invited him in here to show him what Christians are like. I wanted him to see first hand what happenns when you try and show people a better way. He knows all the things I done by Gods grace. He knows and loves me. He could standas a witness to what I am saying is true. But I will not call on him. I will have a witnees who will stand for me. And then you will know I was telling the truth.
    Its can be esay to stand and shout. But you have to go thriugh it to be in that position first. If you know scripture you would know that is a fact. So the standing and shouting is easy, But having something to shoutr about will cost you. To a point.


    Cost me my church I had to leave. just like in here no one believed what I was first trying to share. I was telling them all about what this Guy Curry Black from John G lake minitries. They never wanted anything to do with it. I had to leave the church that i was in over twenty years.
    I live in a small village of about 1500 people I have been there 35 years. You think I dont get laughed at when I stary laying hands on the sick.
    What you think is being said when I am praying for a friend in a coma? It has cost me. I have laid down my life to live for Christ. I lost hundreas of hours at work to share the gospel and pray for the sick every day. I dont care about the money i could have made. I have a wife who backs me up and cares nothing for money. My childrens are walking in this. Our friends including the one who is looking in her now. is also walking in it. Its spreading like it should. People are getting blessed. My daughter said its like She is hearing about what God is doing through me where ever she goes. She had an amazing testimoiy of her own last might. she tells my other daughter. Tell dad not to go to sleep I am coming over to share a testimony. She was so filled with Joy as she told how she is stepping out further and growing. Theres a girl told her I amdefinetly coming to your church. There is things happening very regular. and its growing as we surrender ti Him. But you have the cheek to tell me I dont know or respect Jesus. :) I dont get hurt with that. See when you know you are right its so much more fun.



    So not to belittle your testimony. Thats great you did what we are all called to do.
    But we are called to heal the sick. Not rty it whole heartedly and then run away and watch out best friends whole family die. You need to stand. I need to add this right now for your sake. THERE IS NO CONDEMNATION IN JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD, NONE, NONE, NONE, OK?.

    If you knew the scriptures you would not be arguing against me. You dont. You may be able to quote all the healing scripture but you clearly dont believe them That is why I called you an unbelieving believer. There is no point saing in Jesus name at the start or the end if you dont have faith to get the job done. Jesus told the deciples clear. You never got the boy healed because of your lack of FAITH. Not scripture not Jesus start or finnish LACK OF FAITH. They had none. and this was after the healed many , and even the demons obay us they said. We dont back off we dont turn and run we stand as sons.





    Where did God say this. I dont see it anywhere in scripture? You find it hard to work out what is from you and what is from God. I get that. But you forgot to even mention the liar who is also in your head. why would you not mention him. Is it becaus eyou think all he says is eveil and easy to recognise? 40.000 denominations who all think they are right. and you think that is from God. satan owns the churches. did you not know that. Do you really think God is running 40,000 church denomniations that cant agree with each other. No that confusion is satans.. So I am not sire if you are saying God spoken to you and called the wole healing movement a lie? I find it amazing that you are only talking to me and I am respocible for the whole movment in healing. This why it becomes rediculous trying to hold a conversation with people with your mind set. Can you tell I never came here to make friends? It nice when you find them. But its rare to find friends who believe what the bible says.

    Woohoo God is good all the time. I love him. Jesus is coming back for me. Am like Love you. Hes like love you. Am like yeah but I love you and Hes like Yeah but I love you. and it kinda never sops. and singing tio Him and hes signing the same about me. Man am so worth the blood :)
    Some of you are gonna be hurt by that last bomb eh. Ok look at it this way, If I wasnt He would have come, Jesus love you.




    Watch her drunk display. No need to watch the whole thing. Five minutes is enough. Tell me that is the Spirit of God????[/QUOTE]
    Yes that is God Hiedi baker does a fantastic job . Gave up her life to serve. She is known as the lady in the mud. Yes love Hiedi and her work. She seen more healing than you know people she seen more healings than you had dinners and that is a fact. Why are you so judgemental? Just let people do what there doing and at the very least dont say anything. You know every single losse word is going to be briought up I am cringing here at the though of it. Not for me like. He loves me. I am His favouret. :) Jesus love you.
     
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