The Family of God: Israel or the Church?

[Rapture and End Times]

What does it mean to be a part of the family of God? Are Israel and the Church the same thing? Replacement theology is the view that the church is the true Israel and has permanently replaced Israel as the people of God.

The Family of God: Israel or the Church?

 

[Truth7t7]

What does it mean to be a part of the family of God? Are Israel and the Church the same thing? Replacement theology is the view that the church is the true Israel and has permanently replaced Israel as the people of God.

The Family of God: Israel or the Church?

No such thing as "Replacement Theology" as many claim, the Church has "Inherited" the title of the "Israel Of God" not replaced it

Matthew 21:43KJV
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

 

[covenantee]

What does it mean to be a part of the family of God? Are Israel and the Church the same thing? Replacement theology is the view that the church is the true Israel and has permanently replaced Israel as the people of God.

The Family of God: Israel or the Church?

"Replacement theology" is a dispensational fabrication.

Dispensationalism is itself a purveyor of replacement ideology/biology, which seeks to replace the New Testament one people of God (John 10:16; Romans 10:12; Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 2:14-16; Colossians 3:11) with two peoples based on DNA.

It is an attempt to racialize God and His Word.

It is an abject antiChristian antiScriptural fallacy.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Are Israel and the Church the same thing?

Yes.

“For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:” (Romans 9:6)

 

[atpollard]

The “Family of God” is what it has ALWAYS been … those GOD chooses to call His children.

• Abraham was a child of God because God chose ‘Abram’ and named him Abraham.
• Ishmael and Isaac were both children of Abraham … God chose Isaac to be a child of the promise.
• Isaac fathered twins (Esau and Jacob) … Jacob was chosen by God to be a child of God, and Esau was not.
• When Jesus walked the earth (in the Gospels), some were chosen by the Father to understand and were His sheep given to Him by the Father, and others did not believe because they were not His sheep. God chose some of ‘Israel’ to be Children of God and did not choose others.
• In the Apostolic Letters, we learn that “not all Israel is Israel” and some Gentiles are chosen to be grafted into the TRUE VINE … the Children of God are those that God chooses to be His children.

 

[covenantee]

The “Family of God” is what it has ALWAYS been … those GOD chooses to call His children.

• Abraham was a child of God because God chose ‘Abram’ and named him Abraham.
• Ishmael and Isaac were both children of Abraham … God chose Isaac to be a child of the promise.
• Isaac fathered twins (Esau and Jacob) … Jacob was chosen by God to be a child of God, and Esau was not.
• When Jesus walked the earth (in the Gospels), some were chosen by the Father to understand and were His sheep given to Him by the Father, and others did not believe because they were not His sheep. God chose some of ‘Israel’ to be Children of God and did not choose others.
• In the Apostolic Letters, we learn that “not all Israel is Israel” and some Gentiles are chosen to be grafted into the TRUE VINE … the Children of God are those that God chooses to be His children.

Why did God choose Abraham?

James 2:23; Hebrews 11:8

Are God's choices arbitrary, or has He plainly declared in Scripture the bases for His choices?

Abraham enlightens us.

 

[atpollard]

Why did God choose Abraham?

James 2:23; Hebrews 11:8

Are God's choices arbitrary, or has He plainly declared in Scripture the bases for His choices?

Abraham enlightens us.

Why did God choose Jacob?

 

[ewq1938]

What does it mean to be a part of the family of God? Are Israel and the Church the same thing? Replacement theology is the view that the church is the true Israel and has permanently replaced Israel as the people of God.

The Family of God: Israel or the Church?

The Christian church began with Jews/Israel (the 12 disciples). The church has always been true Israel in Christ from it's beginning and continues to be that way today but with the inclusion of believing gentiles.

It is the same with the concept of the bride of Christ and the body of Christ. The bride and body started with Jews/Israel (the 12 disciples). Gentiles that accept Christ are grafted into these concepts and become part of the Church, part of the bride, part of the body and part of the great olive tree which has many of the natural Jewish branches since the ministry of Christ and beyond.


Israel is the Church. Gentiles that believe in Christ join that Church.
Israel is the body of Christ. Gentiles that believe in Christ join that body.
Israel is the Bride of Christ. Gentiles that believe in Christ join that Bride.
Israel is the Olive tree. Gentiles that believe in Christ are grafted into that tree.

Anyone who denies Christ, whether Gentile or Jew, are NOT part of the church, or body or bride or olive tree.

 

[covenantee]

Why did God choose Jacob?

Because God would ultimately count him among the faithful. (Hebrews 11:21)

 

[atpollard]

Because God would ultimately count him among the faithful. (Hebrews 11:21)

I have no inclination to argue the point, but it was not Jacob’s faithfulness that impressed God, but God’s faithfulness that transformed Jacob. (As is always the case.)

 

[covenantee]

I have no inclination to argue the point, but it was not Jacob’s faithfulness that impressed God, but God’s faithfulness that transformed Jacob. (As is always the case.)

Matthew 9:22
But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.

Matthew 15:28
Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Our faith works in concert with God's faithfulness.

 

[Truman]

This is how I see it...(illustration courtesy of commonwealthofisrael.org)

 

[covenantee]

Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only the faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

 

[Keraz]

What does it mean to be a part of the family of God? Are Israel and the Church the same thing? Replacement theology is the view that the church is the true Israel and has permanently replaced Israel as the people of God.

Of course; it is those who believe they will be 'raptured to heaven', while the Jews; the only possible Israel in their view, get tribulated and finally convert to Christianity.
This false and unbiblical theory forces 'rapture' believers to reject the truth of every faithful Christian person being - past and present: the true Israel of God.

We are clearly told what Jesus thinks of the unrepentant Jews. Revelation 3:9 Also how they will be punished; Isaiah 4:3-4, Isaiah 22:1-14, Jeremiah 10:18, Zephaniah 1:1-18, + and that only a Christian remnant of believers now, will survive, Romans 9:27, Jeremiah 12:14

 

[Davy]

What does it mean to be a part of the family of God? Are Israel and the Church the same thing? Replacement theology is the view that the church is the true Israel and has permanently replaced Israel as the people of God.

The Family of God: Israel or the Church?

No, Replacement Theology is men's leaven doctrine in attempt to SILENCE Bible prophecy about The New Covenant being about Christ's Church, and thus a CONTINUATION of God's Promises to Israel for those who BELIEVE on JESUS CHRIST.

That's who came up with that term, "Replacement Theology", i.e., those who are AGAINST Christ's Church and God's Plan of Salvation for BOTH believing Israel along with Gentiles, what Apostle Paul called "the commonwealth of Israel" (Ephesians 2).

 

[Davy]

This is how I see it...(illustration courtesy of commonwealthofisrael.org)
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Problem with that though is that it separates 'believing' Jews from ten tribe Israelites and Gentiles in Christ's Church. Believing Jews are part of Christ's Church also.

 

[Truman]

We are one in Christ.

 

[Davy]

We are one in Christ.

ALL believers on Jesus Christ are indeed all 'one' in The Father and His Son Jesus Christ, and that was Lord Jesus' desire for His Church per the John 17 Chapter.

But that still did NOT end God's ordaining of His Israel.

A problem today, and it's a problem rife in many of the Christian seminaries too, not just among certain Church system denominations, is the lack of understanding the Biblical meaning and purpose of the name 'Israel', and how it was always meant to apply to God's Plan of Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ, very much like how Apostle Paul used it in Ephesians 2 with the title "commonwealth of Israel" when speaking of the included believing Gentiles in Christ.

God originally gave His Gospel Promise to Abraham, and this is why Apostle Paul in Galatians 3 taught that all those of Faith are the "children of Abraham." At the end of John 8, Lord Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see Christ's day, and he saw it, and was glad. Paul said The Gospel was preached to Abraham (Galatians 3).

Yet when first reading through the Book of Genesis, we don't think much about that link of The Gospel of Jesus Christ with Abraham, but it is there, even as Apostle Paul showed in Romans 4 and Galatians 3. And with God telling Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac, to see if Abraham would obey Him, even that idea of a father willing to sacrifice his son served as a symbolic pointer to Christ's crucifixion later.

So did Issac not inherit knowledge of what Abraham knew? Sure he did, which is why we find God passing His Promises originally to Abraham down to Isaac per Genesis 17.

And then from Isaac, God would pass His Birthright Promises down to Jacob, whom He gave the new name "Israel", because as a prince Jacob had power with God, and with men, and prevailed (Genesis 32 and Genesis 35).

Thus the name 'ISRAEL' is not about Jews that think they have the right to demand authority and be in power over all other peoples on earth. The Biblical purpose of the name ISRAEL is about God's Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ, which is The Gospel. That has ALWAYS been the meaning and purpose of the name ISRAEL.

Now those men who reject Jesus Christ as God The Savior do not represent that name ISRAEL. Instead those try to STEAL it. And they apply their own meanings to it, as if they own it. They do NOT own that name. ONLY the Faithful who believe on The Father through His Son Jesus Christ have right to that name ISRAEL, for The Gospel was part of Abraham's, and Isaac's, and Jacob's heritage from GOD The Father.

 

[Keraz]

The Jews of today are not the Israel of God

Most Christians believe that the Jew's and Israel are one and the same; that the United States, the British Commonwealth nation, and the Nordic nations are Gentile (in the sense of heathen) nation.

If their claim is true and the Jews, are the "Israel of God," then they MUST FULFILL EVERY SCRIPTURE WHICH GOD SAID ISRAEL WOULD FULFILL.. So let me ask you the following question. I do not ask you to believe what I say, but be honest enough to read and believe what the Word of God says:

1 - Have the Jews blessed all the nations, of the earth. Genesis, 12:3: 22:18?

2 - Have the Jews ever been circumcised in heart? Deut. 10:16: 30:6; Rom. 2:28, 29: Phil. 3:3; Co. 2:9, 11.

3 - Have the Jews ever glorified Jesus Christ? Has Christ been recognized by the Jewish nation? Isaiah 41:16; Luke 1:32; 7:16.

4 - Do the Jews declare that Christ is the GOD of Israel of the Old Testament? Isaiah 43:10-12; 44:8; 49:3, 6; 52:6: Acts 1:8.

5 - Do the Jews show forth the praise of Jesus Christ? Isaiah 43:21.

6 - Have the Jews carried the gospel to all the world? Have they witnessed for Jesus Christ? Have they opened the Bible for the world? Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10; 44:21; 49:3, 6; Acts 1:8. Who has carried the Word of God into all the world? Who has published the Bible, or portions of it in over 1,000 language', and dialects? Who has been responsible for over 95% of all the world missionary activity? Which nations of the earth have based their laws on God's laws? There is only one answer and you know it. It has been the United States of America and the British Commonwealth.

7 - Do the Jews have God's Spirit and the Word of God in their mouth and their uttermost being? Isaiah 59:21. Oh no, my Christian friend, their religion is based on a heathen book called the Babylonian Talmud, which repudiates everything the Bible teaches. It is the work of Satan himself.

8 - Was the New Covenant written only to the Jews? The Bible states that it was made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Jer. 31:33; Hebrews 8:8-10; Matt. 26:28.

9 - Are the Jews the SHEEP of the House of Israel? Ezek. 34:11, 12; Ps. 78:52; 95:1,6,7; Isa. 53:6; John. 10:26, 27; Matt. 15:24. In the passage from John 10, our Lord clearly states to the Jewish rulers: "Ye believe not, because ye are not my sheep." How much plainer must the Word of God be for you to believe?

10 - Are the Jews the "children of God scattered abroad?" John 11:52; 10:16; 7:35. Certainly the Israelites "scattered abroad among the Gentiles," were not Jews. When Jesus said in Matt. 10:6 and 15:24, that He was sent only to the "Lost sheep of the House of Israel, "He was not speaking of being spiritually lost. The word for lost, as used here, is the Greek word: "appolumi," it comes from two root words: "apo", meaning "separation," and "ollumi" meaning "death or punishment." Put the two together and you have: "those who are banished or put away for punishment. "This could only have had reference to the ten tribes of Israel who had been taken captive into Assyria, as punishment for their idolatry.

11 - Is Jesus being glorified in the Jews? Isa. 49:3; Rom 8:28, 29; 11:1, 2; 9:4. Always remember, there is a vast difference made in Scripture between Israelites and Jews. They are not one and the same, as your preachers have told you. To say they are is "intellectual dishonesty'' of the worst sort!

12 - Are (he Jews the SERVANTS of God? Isa.41:8; 43:10; 49:3. The Jewish leaders them-selves say that their God is "materialism." They do not believe in the God of the Bible and their Talmud repudiates the God of Abraham. Isaac and Jacob.

13 - Are the Jews a Holy Nation, a Chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a peculiar people? (The word peculiar means: "set aside for a special purpose.") Ex. 19:5, 6; 1 Peter 2:9, 10; 1:1, 2. Notice especially, how Peter addresses his Epistle "To the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Asia, and Bithtnia," in others words Asia Minor. These were not Jews, but Israelites.

14- Are the Jews the great characters mentioned in the "faith chapter" of the Bible, Hebrews) 11? Abel was not a Jew, neither Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Sarah, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, Gideon, Barak, Samson, David, Samuel. None of these were Jews. There were no people known by the name of Jews, until 2 Kings 16:6, where the name is used for the first time. This was in 742 B.C. at least 1,100 years after the death of Abraham. Oh I know that your pastor has called Moses a Jew, but this is not what the Bible says.

15 - Are the Jews a "righteous nation?" Isa. 26:2. If you will honestly check the record of history, you will find that the Jews have always been a wicked, unrighteous people. They have not been persecuted because Satan hates them, as Jerry Falwell will tell you, for John 8:44 tells us that they are of "their father the devil." Satan will not persecute his own children. The Jews have been kicked out of every nation in Europe at some time or other and always for the same reason. Their wickedness, their avarice, and their greed. I challenge you to look at every evil which is destroying America, which is strangling our freedom and at the top you will find Jewish names in charge. This has been the indictment of all history against these evil people they never have been a "righteous nation."

16 - Are the Jews bringing forth the "fruits of the Kingdom of God?" Hosea 14:8; Matt. 21:43. In the Matthew passage, Jesus speaking to the Jews clearly states that the "kingdom of God (this refers to God's earthly Kingdom) shall he taken from you (JEWS) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Certainly the ungodly crew which is now in Palestine, is not bringing forth ''the fruits of the Kingdom.

17- Are the Jews kind to strangers? Lev. 19:33, 34; Matt. 25:31-46. Today in Palestine, if are not a Jew, you have no rights in the nation of Israeli. A Christian has no rights and a foreigner, unless he is one of the gullible Christians who is being brainwashed by a visit to the Holy Land, is treated as dirt under the feet of the Israeli.

18 - Are the Jews called the "sons of the living God?" Hosea 1:10. They have absolutely no right to this title.

19 - Do the Jews tell us that they are "not God's People?" Hosea 1:10. No, they boast that they are God's Chosen and that is why they have the right to the Land of Palestine. But the Bible says: "in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God."

20 - Do the Jews have all of God's Word? Romans 9:3-5; Ps. 147:19, 20; Deut. 33:4. The Jews do not have the Laws of Moses, for they have been superceded by the heathen Babylonian Talmud, which is the Jew's Bible.

21 - Are the Jews a great and mighty nation? Gen. 18:18. They number less than 3-million in Palestine and more Jew's are leaving than are coming in.

22 - Are the Jews today as innumerable as the stars of the heaven and the sands of the sea? Of course not. They number about 16-million, the same number as were alive in the time of Solomon.

23 - Do the Jew's "possess the gates of their enemies?" Gen. 22:17; 24:60. Of course they don't. They do not control the Suez Canal, or the Straits of Gibraltar. They control only a tiny bit of real estate in Palestine. They would collapse within six months if the United States did not underwrite them. Their own leaders admit that it is our aid that keeps them alive.

24 - Are the Jews a nation and a company of nations? Gen. 35:11; 48:19. The Zionist State in Palestine does not represent all Jews world-wide and it is certainly not a "company of nations." The only group that qualifies here is the Anglo-Saxon and related peoples.

25 - Are the Jew's above all people on the face of the earth? Deut. 7:6; 12:2; Ps. 135:4; Amos 3:2. There is no question that they would like to be. Their leaders for centuries have preached Jewish superiority. But today they are struggling to stay alive.

Who are you going to believe? Your pastor, who has lied to you all these years, (very possibly not knowingly, but he has lied nevertheless) or Jesus Christ the Son of God, as revealed in the Bible? Choose today, who you are going to follow!.

 

[Bob Estey]

What does it mean to be a part of the family of God? Are Israel and the Church the same thing? Replacement theology is the view that the church is the true Israel and has permanently replaced Israel as the people of God.

The Family of God: Israel or the Church?

The family of God is made up of those individuals who are trying to do the Lord's will here on earth. As far as Israel and the church being the same thing, it might depend on how you define "Israel" - are you talking about the the country or are you talking about a spiritual people?