Naomi25 said;
The problem for them is: if God spares the Tribulation Saints from his plagues and such, why the need for the Rapture?
WHAT "SAINTS" are SPARED? WHO ARE "THEY"? WHERE are "THEY"? WHEN are THEY Spared?
Scripture is Clear.
The SPARED "SAINTS" are those 144,000 WHO are "SENT" TO Earth.
Hint, Hint....they are NOT presently VIsible ON EARTH.
THEIR "SAINTHOOD" has NOT YET come to pass, UNTIL THEY "ARE" maked in their forehead WITH GODS NAME.
THEY ARE "SPARED" FROM Gods WRATH, While they are ON EARTH, DURING Gods WRATH, WHILE THEY ARE ministering the Word of God "TO" ISRAEL, "Gods PEOPLE".
ARE YOU A Jew?
ARE YOU OF ANY of the Tribes of ISRAEL?
ARE YOU A SAINT?
ARE YOU Appointed TO Minister The Word of God, Christ Jesus, to the Tribes of ISRAEL?
Are YOU Spiritually ALREADY "SAVED and QUICKENED" unto thee Lord God?
IF SO, WHEN exactly Shall YOUR "sainthood" come INTO Fruition?
While YOU ARE "ON" the earth?
Scripture doesn't say so.
A SAVED and QUICKENED man, (whether or not called a Christian, a Despensationalist, a Messanic Jew, etc.) ...
DOES NOT RECEIVE HIS "Glorified" BODY, UNTIL he "IS" Risen UP to the Lord "IN THE CLOUDS"
So WHY the RAPTURE? Precisely BECAUSE "THEY" ARE PREPARED (ie; Forgiven, crucified with Christ, IN Christ, soul saved, spirit quickened....NOT SUBJECT TO the Lamb's OR Gods WRATH) and Prepared to RECEIVE their GLORIFIED BODY, Because they ALREADY SEALED unto thee Lord God, FOR HIM TO CLAIM THEM, BEFORE WRATH befalls the EARTH.
Were you not INFORMED, Once saved and born again you would be with the Lord?
When He is IN the Clouds, why would you expect to BE ON Earth? He isn't.
If Christians are not spared now from persecution, and won't be 'then'....why the need for the Rapture?
Again...
Persecution is an act of man against man.
Wrath is an act of God against The Earth, and men who REJECT Him and His Word.
It's just this nice little fantasy they've made up all because they don't want to suffer.
No. It a TEACHING of thee Lord God Himself.
Men WILL persecute Men.
God WILL "greatly empower Satan" over the Earth, and many men will follow after Satan.
God will SEND ministers to Gods People, Israel.
God WILL "greatly" cause The Lambs Wrath, and Gods Wrath to come upon the Earth.
The Saved and Born Again are NOT subject to Wrath.
But, here's the problem...as the body of Christ, we need to recognize that when one of us suffers, we all share in it:
If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together. -1 Corinthians 12:26
And so, DO YOU? If a man IN CHRIST suffers, does it AFFECT YOU? Do you mourn with them, comfort them, help them?
Which brings me back to my point: pretending on a fly-away fantasy to avoid a reality
WHAT PRETENSE?
You seem to call others "PRETENDERS" who TRUST the Word of God Applies to THEM.
What REALITY?
Your Reality teaches the saved and born again are SUBJECT TO Gods WRATH, when scripture teaches THE OPPOSITE.
The REALITY the Lord Has an APPOINTED TIME HE SHALL CAUSE and ALLOW those who REJECT HIM to SUFFER HIS WRATH?
The REALITY Scripture Reveals is The Lord Jesus came to CAUSE DIVIDE....and Thee Lord God has an APPOINTED TIME to CAUSE "SEPARATION" of those DIVIDED, UNTO HIM.
that so many of our brothers and sisters are already facing daily is not honoring Christ or the rest of his body.
Seems LIKE you have Dismissed Men IN Christ, as being your brothers IN Christ. When THEY are the ones recognizing the difference between Persecutions among and between MEN, and the Wrath of God to COME, and WHY.
I disagree with Your perspective and teaching and bashing of men who Trust what Scripture says.
Wrath SHALL COME...
Rev 6
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16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the
wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 16
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1] And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the
wrath of God upon the earth.
Those APPOINTED TO SUFFER WRATH; ARE NOT the Saved and Born Again.
John 3
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36] He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and
he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Rom.1[
18] For the
wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Your teaching is not what scripture says.
Your teaching is teaching MEN who DO believe in the Son, who ARE accounted in the Truth of Righteousness......ARE SUBJECT to Gods WRATH...and No they are not....and I do not agree with your teaching.
Glory to God,
Taken