Is God finished with Israel?

Dropship said:

Well they've been rejecting him for 2000 years, so unless they come to their senses and accept him BEFORE they die, they'll be going up the spout along with all other rejecters.
Death is the end for them, no "second chances" for them or anybody else.

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Hi Dropship
Do you not understand that part of Israel is blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in?

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

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The Light said:

Well then let's ask another question. Will Israel continue to reject Jesus until the end?

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Israel never rejected Jesus Christ.
Jesus was talking to Nathaniel and remember Jesus said that Nathaniel was a True Israelite in fact, That's the measure of the Grade that Jesus pointed out in fact.
Now the People who had faith is Jesus in the days = his disciples in fact and the rest were not worthy of Moses but they were worthy of Moses and the rest of the Jews were nothing but dupes being lead by the ones the Jesus pointed out in the Vineyard story who killed all of Gods Prophets in fact and not to mention came against Jesus to kill him as well.
But all of Jesus disciples knew that Jesus was the Christ when he went to Heaven in fact and they were all worthy of Israel in fact and they became the Body of Christ Jesus = The First Christians in fact ! All of them were worthy of Israel and anyone who was not worthy of Israel did not cut the grade, because they were lost ! they were lead astray by the bastards who dominated the Vineyard in fact, who were of this world, But Jesus is not of this world because this world is full of deceptions and delusions in fact, so Jesus came to Save us from the deceptions and delusions of this world ?
Now what did Jesus say to Nathaniel as to what would Nathaniel see ? It's true ! One who is truly born again understands because they have eyes to see and ears to hear.

If one is looking for the Jews to save you, one is lost ! only Christ Jesus saves in fact.

People say now, Judah Christian values do they understand that such is stupid ! such is duping people and a lie creation in fact. No it's Christian Values and the Values are all in Christ Jesus in fact and nothing to do with the Jews or so called Jesus in fact.
Christians stand on their own, they need no props. not to mention if one was to mention such it would be Christian Judah values, because Christianity is the dominant Values and Judah is only the blueprint. and Christ Jesus gave us Christianity and that is the birth, like an egg that has cracked out of the shell. Life in Christ Jesus was created, so that you would have life in abundance ! Before Christ Jesus one was a Slave to this world and lead astray by deceptions and delusions, just a miserable creep show of degenerates in fact bathing in a sewer of mans works madness.

So one has to be carful of the deceptions that are cast, so as to miss lead you ! Judah Christian values is just such a one, because such just does not exist under Christ Jesus in fact ! why well because we serve Christ Jesus and not the Jew or so called Jew at all. they are the lost brother and we the found !
The works of Satan are to create delusions for you, Judah Christian values are just one such deception, just like how stupid people can be deluded with other words, like the African American BS is peddled as a deception ! were they born in Africa ! if they were not born in Africa they can not be African American in fact ! because a Lie is a Lie in fact ! They maybe Americans of African decent in fact and that is a truth !

A worthy Christian calls out Lies and deceptions for what they truly are. one does not make up non binary words and all that type of deceptive delusional nonsense. Jesus exposed them who were of the Devil.

Reggie Belafonte said:

Israel never rejected Jesus Christ.

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Matthew 21
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

You are off to a bad start.

Reggie Belafonte said:

Jesus was talking to Nathaniel and remember Jesus said that Nathaniel was a True Israelite in fact, That's the measure of the Grade that Jesus pointed out in fact.
Now the People who had faith is Jesus in the days = his disciples in fact and the rest were not worthy of Moses but they were worthy of Moses and the rest of the Jews were nothing but dupes being lead by the ones the Jesus pointed out in the Vineyard story who killed all of Gods Prophets in fact and not to mention came against Jesus to kill him as well.
But all of Jesus disciples knew that Jesus was the Christ when he went to Heaven in fact and they were all worthy of Israel in fact and they became the Body of Christ Jesus = The First Christians in fact ! All of them were worthy of Israel and anyone who was not worthy of Israel did not cut the grade, because they were lost ! they were lead astray by the bastards who dominated the Vineyard in fact, who were of this world, But Jesus is not of this world because this world is full of deceptions and delusions in fact, so Jesus came to Save us from the deceptions and delusions of this world ?
Now what did Jesus say to Nathaniel as to what would Nathaniel see ? It's true ! One who is truly born again understands because they have eyes to see and ears to hear.

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I see many that are born again Christians that don't seem to have eyes to see or ears to hear. It's as if they remain babes without discernment.

Reggie Belafonte said:

If one is looking for the Jews to save you, one is lost ! only Christ Jesus saves in fact.

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I am unaware of a single person that is looking for the Jews to save them.

Reggie Belafonte said:

People say now, Judah Christian values do they understand that such is stupid ! such is duping people and a lie creation in fact. No it's Christian Values and the Values are all in Christ Jesus in fact and nothing to do with the Jews or so called Jesus in fact.
Christians stand on their own, they need no props. not to mention if one was to mention such it would be Christian Judah values, because Christianity is the dominant Values and Judah is only the blueprint. and Christ Jesus gave us Christianity and that is the birth, like an egg that has cracked out of the shell. Life in Christ Jesus was created, so that you would have life in abundance ! Before Christ Jesus one was a Slave to this world and lead astray by deceptions and delusions, just a miserable creep show of degenerates in fact bathing in a sewer of mans works madness.

So one has to be carful of the deceptions that are cast, so as to miss lead you ! Judah Christian values is just such a one, because such just does not exist under Christ Jesus in fact ! why well because we serve Christ Jesus and not the Jew or so called Jew at all. they are the lost brother and we the found !
The works of Satan are to create delusions for you, Judah Christian values are just one such deception, just like how stupid people can be deluded with other words, like the African American BS is peddled as a deception ! were they born in Africa ! if they were not born in Africa they can not be African American in fact ! because a Lie is a Lie in fact ! They maybe Americans of African decent in fact and that is a truth !

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I am uneducated to the term Judah Christian. Never heard it, never seen it and never dreamed it.

Reggie Belafonte said:

A worthy Christian calls out Lies and deceptions for what they truly are. one does not make up non binary words and all that type of deceptive delusional nonsense. Jesus exposed them who were of the Devil.

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I'm not exactly sure what point you are trying to make but it was good talking to you.

Dropship said:

Well they've been rejecting him for 2000 years, so unless they come to their senses and accept him BEFORE they die, they'll be going up the spout along with all other rejecters.
Death is the end for them, no "second chances" for them or anybody else.

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The Light said:

Hi Dropship
Do you not understand that part of Israel is blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in?
Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in..

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ALL nonchristians are blind to the truth, but if they realise the error of their ways and accept Jesus before they die they might possibly just save their necks..

Dropship said:

ALL nonchristians are blind to the truth, but if they realise the error of their ways and accept Jesus before they die they might possibly just save their necks..

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Possibly?

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The basic divergence of belief regarding who and where the House of Israel is today, is tied to a persons belief of a rapture.
If one believes they are going to be 'raptured to heaven', at sometime during the end times, [the timing is contentious, as there is nothing in the Bible about people going to heaven] then; a vital part of the 'rapture', it is the Jews, the only visible Israel around, who must remain and have to pass thru the Great Tribulation, while the Christians sit safely in heaven.
That this theory is just a fable and a deception, is very evident from its total lack of Bible support and the completely illogical and impossible idea of it.
The truth is that God did separate the two Houses, Judah and Israel and they remain as 2 identities today. God knows who belongs to each House and He will soon act to winnow out the chaff from both of them. Matthew 3:12, Ezekiel 20:34-38

It is God’s plan that the House of Judah, that is: the Jewish people, remain as an identifiable people group to fulfil the tasks assigned to them. In these present days, one task has been to replant and rebuild the Land.

But the 10 Northern tribes, that is, the House of Israel, have been lost to history:
Deuteronomy 32:26 says - I will cause the memory of them to cease among men.

However, the Bible does give us some clues as to who and where they might be today.

1. Who has received the blessings promised?
2. Where will they eventually come from to return to the Land?

THE BLESSINGS -

To Abraham: Father of many nations, exceedingly fruitful,

• To Isaac: numberless descendants, Land given to them.
• To Jacob: The richness of the earth. Peoples will serve you. Curses on those who curse you, blessing on those who bless you.
• To the 12 sons of Jacob (Israel): See in Genesis 49 and Deuteronomy 33:1-29

1 Chronicles 5:1-2; states that the Birthright Blessing is given to Joseph.
In Genesis 48 Jacob blesses Joseph’s sons, Ephraim and Manasseh. Both were to become great nations.

Deuteronomy 33:17 The 10,000s of Ephraim and the 1000s of Manasseh will push against the nations, even to the ends of the earth.

Only the British Commonwealth and the United States of America fulfil these prophecies. The other 8 tribes can be identified with the European Union nations.
Ref: The Tribes, Yair Davidy.


RETURN AND REJOINING IN THE LAND

There are over forty prophecies telling us of the House of Israel’s return to the Promised Land in the last days, so where they will migrate from gives the clues as to where they are now.

Jeremiah 31:8-10 See, I bring them from a Northern land ... gathered from the far ends of the earth.....a vast company...I am a Father to Israel and Ephraim is My eldest son.

Isaiah 49:12 They are coming, some from far away, some from the North and West and others from the land of Sinim. (Sinim - Hebrew: Southern land, Latin: Australi)

Hosea 11: They will follow the Lord and when He roars His sons will speed out of the West.

So, the main location of the lost ten tribes is in the Northwest and from there, spread around the world.

Davy said:

REJECTING Scripture as written is the SIGN of instead listening to 'another spirit'.

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It can be, but not necessarily so. That claim can be applied to anybody you disagree with. It could even apply to you, if you've ever changed your opinion on a particular interpretation of Scripture. This kind of thing is ground for judgmentalism.

Davy said:

REJECTING Scripture as written is the SIGN of instead listening to 'another spirit'.

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If you don't want to discuss differences, why discuss anything with me at all?

Dropship said:

ALL nonchristians are blind to the truth, but if they realise the error of their ways and accept Jesus before they die they might possibly just save their necks..

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The Light said:

Possibly?
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What's 'Prepaid Shipping'?
If you mean people think they can get a free ride to the pearlies simply by saying "I accept Jesus", that may well be true but getting THROUGH the gates is another matter because the bouncer might well say to them-

"You ain't coming in here, get on yer bikes and 'oppit !"

CadyandZoe said:

What do you mean "that's fine"?
The back drop of our discussion is the question of whether or not God is done with Israel.
You, along with many others, rightly point out that God is saving believers and rejecting unbelievers.
My question is this. Why would anyone think that Israel, during the Millennial period, would contain unbelievers?

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What's the 'Millennial' period?
Anyway the issue is quite simple- if jews become christians before they die, they stand a chance of making it through the pearlies, otherwise they'll be up the creek along with all other jesus-rejecters, God is not some wishy-washy flip-flopping wimpy social worker, that's why I like him..

One People of God:
Not only does the bible not teach that there are two distinct peoples of God, ethnic Israel and the gentile Church, but it is very explicitly opposed to this idea. John 10:16, John 17:22-23, Ephesians 4:4-6, Colossians 3:11

For one thing, the Church, defined as the group of true believers of God, existed in the Old Testament, long before the outpouring of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, Acts 7:38, and furthermore, the clear teaching of the New Testament is that the modern day Church is really just the joining with and the expansion of God's people out of the people He originally chose.

According to Paul being a true Israelite has never been based on anything other than faith in God, Romans 2:28-29 & 9:6-8 and only those who have been called according to God's promise are Abraham's seed by faith. Romans 9:8

Hence, all who have [Christian] faith are Abraham's children, and are the true Israelites of God. Galatians 3:26-29

When Paul deals extensively with the whole question of the place of Jews and Gentiles in the people of God, in Romans 11, he shows that there is just one people, symbolized by one good olive tree; unbelieving individual Jews may be broken off of that tree of true Israel and believing individual Christian Gentiles may be grafted in; but there is still one tree, one body, one people of God. Paul teaches elsewhere that there is no difference between Jew and Gentile in Christ, but that all believers are members of the same body, citizens of the one Christian congregation of the Israelites of God and the inheritors of all the promises made to Abraham. Ephesians 2:11-22, 3:6, Galatians 4:26-31, Phil. 3:20, Hebrews 12:22-23

In short, there is and always has been just one people of God, and that people includes all those who are grafted into God's “good olive tree” to become Abraham's children by faith, people from every tribe, race, nation and language, every true Christian believer. Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 56:1-8, Psalms 73:1

CadyandZoe said:

Your intense focus on the children of Abraham, has obscured the truth about Jacob's children. My video and Romans 11 is focused on Jacob's children, not Abraham's children.

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Nonsense!
We Christians are both; children of Abraham by faith; Galatians 3:26-29 and children of Jacob by being Overcomers for God. As seen in each of the Seven Churchs of Revelation.

The simple point to be inferred from this whole issue of the Ten Lost Tribes is that the Jews are not all of Israel. God’s purpose is to let the 10 tribes which were separated in King Rehoboam’s time, to become lost to the world and the two tribes of Judah to remain visible. Deuteronomy 32:26; 2 Chronicles 10:19; Jeremiah 29:18

They both have specific tasks to fulfil, during this period of dispersion, the Church age.


Perhaps one way to identify the other Israelite tribes, besides those Jews already known, is to look for those who fear, acknowledge and love the Creator God, live by His laws and produce the fruit of good works. James 2:24.

The Caucasian, Western nations (people groups) have been identified by the historical, linguistic, archaeological and genetic research, as having a majority of descendants of Israel/Jacob. They are also the Christian nations, so this is another proof.

According to some records, at least one tribe went eastwards and I think that South Korea, because of their amazing Christian awakening, has quite probably: Israelite origins.
Bible prophecy clearly says that all the Israel of God, who now comprise every faithful Christian, Jew and gentile, will be gathered into all of the holy Land, before Jesus Returns and Gods promises to the Patriarchs will be kept by their descendants by faith. Ezekiel 20:34-38 Genesis 17:6-8


Malachi 3:16-18 Then those who feared the Lord, talked together – the Lord listened.
A record was written of those who feared Him and respected His Name.

They will be Mine, says the Lord of Hosts, My own possession for the Day that I appoint, I will spare them. Once more you will see the difference between those who serve God and the wicked apostate peoples.


Malachi 4:1-6 The Day comes; burning like a furnace, all the arrogant evildoers will be as stubble, they will be destroyed in a fiery blaze.

But you, who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings and you will break loose, like calves released from a stall.
On the Day that I take action, you will tread down the wicked, they will be as ashes under your feet.

Remember the Laws given to Moses, keep all My commandments given to Israel at Sinai. Look; I will send you Elijah before the Day of the Lord. He will reconcile families and preserve the Land from the wrath of the Lord.

Reference: Revised English Bible, some verses abridged.

Keraz said:

This is the issue that I battle with RandyK and others with.

God will not save, protect or restore any people who reject Jesus. God's grace has lasted for nearly 2000 years and the Jews still deny Jesus, they now face Judgment and punishment; their just deserts.

The new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, which will be established in all of the holy Land, will consist of every faithful Christian person. A few will be Jews. They will be a vast multitude, Revelation 7:9, praising the Lord for their deliverance as He is revealed to them. Revelation 14:1, 2 Thess 1:10

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It's just hearsay but I heard a report on the news about a month or so ago that was reporting the results of a poll.
The talking head stated that according to this poll, more than half of American Jews asked, identified as Christians.
I thought this odd.

michaelvpardo said:

It's just hearsay but I heard a report on the news about a month or so ago that was reporting the results of a poll.
The talking head stated that according to this poll, more than half of American Jews asked, identified as Christians.
I thought this odd.

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There must be many thousands of Christian Jews outside of Israel, because only a few will survive by hiding underground on the terrible Day the Lord virtually depopulates the Middle East. Isaiah 29:1-4
They need to have enough people for the Lord to select the 24,000 godly, unpolluted people, for the tribes of Judah and Benjamin.

michaelvpardo said:

It's just hearsay but I heard a report on the news about a month or so ago that was reporting the results of a poll.
The talking head stated that according to this poll, more than half of American Jews asked, identified as Christians.
I thought this odd.

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Why !
The First Christians were Jews and the Goyim only came in later.
I have some so called Christians who get all riled up that I with a Jewish sir name is a Christian and they reject that I am a Christian to my face in anger ? well I say my dad and his dad and his dad and so on were Christians, so they are claiming that my forefathers were not Christians ?

Not to mention would such a one know a Jew if they came across one, not to mention one who claims to be a Jew and is not worthy of being such ? in the eyes of God in regards to the OT for a start ? let alone in regards to Christ Jesus.