Daniel's Dreams, Timelines and Maps Explained.

[Ronald D Milam]

God gave Daniel an interpretation to Nebuchadnezzars dream in Dan. 2 then in Dan. 7 He gave Daniel the same dream in how God viewed these same events.

Nebuchadnezzars Dream

Babylon = Gold, Persia = Silver, Greece = Brass, Rome = Iron and Clay & Iron/10 Toes.

Daniel's Dream

God's sees these same Kingdoms as Beasts which He allows to wield power over Israel so that Israel will be brought unto repentance, thus the Kingdom Age can be ushered in for the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ in Jerusalem.

My intention here is to show all of this in a transitional process which can be visualized via the scripture if we only take a step back and look at all this from a birds eye of view of 10,000 feet instead of trying to understand this from the ground level. Lets look at all the kingdoms on maps and go from there.

Babylon = Gold


Persian Empire = Silver


Grecian Empire = Brass


The Roman Empire = Iron


Notice anything going on here? Each kingdom enlarges on the previous kingdom as per its overall landmass via the Mediterranean Sea Region.

Dan. 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

Babylon reached into Egypt, an midway through modern day Turkey. Persia reached all the way from Memphis in Egypt unto the borders of Greece, where it pretty much stopped. Then we see Greece of course reached from Greece and well past Memphis in Egypt. Then finally Rome reached unto every square inch of the Mediterranean Sea Regions Coastline, this is why it is stated Rome CRUSHES ALL the land. Because God is speaking of a specific region in His prophesies, not the whole world, but just 7 Kingdoms overall looking backwards from the book of Revelation, but only 4 looking forward from Babylon's time plus another one to come later on, after the Mortal Wound (the Church delivered this wound to the Beast Kingdoms) destroys the Beast Kingdom for a time, then it will again come alive (be healed) over Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, as explained in Daniel 11:40-43. So, this Man of Sin, Little Horn, Anti-Christ will make an Agreement with Israel and THE MANY [other nations in the region].

And Dan. 7:7-8 says these 10 (Complete Europe) arise out of the Fourth Beasts Head (Europe) and that this coming Little Horn arises in their midst (he's born in the E.U.), but Dan. 8:9 shows us which direction he must conquer in also, towards the East, South and Israel, thus he conquers from the Northwest corridor of the Greek Kingdom, or from Greece which is in the E.U. Thus is why we get the whole Dan. 11 genealogy of all the Greek kings to start with. Knowing all this, we can now show on a map the Mortal Wound being healed. Which is only Israel coming under Beast rule once again, after they enter into a political agreement with this E.U. Leader, who tricks them into giving up their Nukes, else there would be no conquering of Israel.

The Anti-Christ's coming Kingdom of the E.U. and the Landmass he is said to Conquer in Daniel 11:40-43 ads up to the Last Beast's Wound being healed. Add in the fact the he conquers towards the East which means Turkey (Seleucid) and we see why Turkey is not one of the nations the E.U. currently has agreements with in the region. God will destroy Iran, Turkey and Russia's Armies on the holy mountain of Israel, thus this Anti-Christ will just mow Turkey down when he goes forth conquering. Europe led by the Anti-Christ will turn on Israel plus THE MANY and the Mortal Wound will be healed.

The Anti-Christs Kingdom = Iron & Clay amidst the 10 toes/horns who give their Kingdom over to one man, the Little Horn.


Notice how both the Roman Empire map and the above map of the European Union and the nations Daniel 11:40-43 says the Anti-Christ (E.U.) will conquer, both encompass the entire Mediterranean Sea Region? So, take out the Church Age via the coming Rapture and we went from Rome ruling all of Europe and the Mediterranean Sea Region (which includes Israel) to this last day Beast Kingdom run by the Anti-Christ, who rules over all the exact same territory, and everything picks up again exactly where the Church's Mortal Wound put a stop to these evil Beast Kingdoms for nigh 2000 years. Once we are taken to Heaven, the Beast will again be allowed to come forth, and the 70th week will begin, where Israel must repent or atone, and then Jesus will return and usher in the Kingdom Age. Thy Kingdom come was a prayer unto the Disciples for a reason.

The Anti-Christ does not conquer the whole world, that which is being spoken of is ONLY the 7 Heads and 10 Horns, which is only about the Mediterranean Sea Region. He Conquers the whole land mass being spoken about, only the Fourth Beast crushed every square inch of this spoken of land mass. Those who say the Anti-Christ conquers the whole world are not even thinking properly, God says 1/3 of the world is going to be totally destroyed by an incoming Asteroid Strike (Rev. 8). Satan and his Anti-Christ are not going to try to conquer that which is on fire and where all the trees are burning.

China will be a dictatorship unto themselves, Russia will be a ruthless dictator themselves, the USA and much of the North America Region, IMHO, will be destroyed. Combine North & South America and they (we) make up 1/3 of the worlds land mass. The Pacific Ocean makes up 1/3 of the Water on the earth, I think the 1/3 reference is telling us where this Asteroid is going to hit. The coming Anti-Christ is designated as a European Beast (Dan. 7:7-8), who has a man ruling over them who is born in Greece (Dan. 8:9), who then Conquers the whole Mediterranean Sea Region and Israel (Dan. 11:40-43).

Let's "TAKE OUT THE CHURCH AGE":

Let us then fit all of these maps back together taking out the 2000 some odd year Church Age Period, and they all run concurrent with each other. The Church delivered the Mortal Wound via our blood. As soon as we are taken out of the way, Satan reconstitutes his dream Beast Kingdom. Then Jesus shows up and defeats the Anti-Christ and his utopian dreams, along with Satan once and for all.

 

[Truth7t7]

God gave Daniel an interpretation to Nebuchadnezzars dream in Dan. 2 then in Dan. 7 He gave Daniel the same dream in how God viewed these same events.

Nebuchadnezzars Dream

Babylon = Gold, Persia = Silver, Greece = Brass, Rome = Iron and Clay & Iron/10 Toes.

Daniel's Dream

God's sees these same Kingdoms as Beasts which He allows to wield power over Israel so that Israel will be brought unto repentance, thus the Kingdom Age can be ushered in for the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ in Jerusalem.

My intention here is to show all of this in a transitional process which can be visualized via the scripture if we only take a step back and look at all this from a birds eye of view of 10,000 feet instead of trying to understand this from the ground level. Lets look at all the kingdoms on maps and go from there.

Babylon = Gold
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Persian Empire = Silver
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Grecian Empire = Brass
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The Roman Empire = Iron
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Notice anything going on here? Each kingdom enlarges on the previous kingdom as per its overall landmass via the Mediterranean Sea Region.

Dan. 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

Babylon reached into Egypt, an midway through modern day Turkey. Persia reached all the way from Memphis in Egypt unto the borders of Greece, where it pretty much stopped. Then we see Greece of course reached from Greece and well past Memphis in Egypt. Then finally Rome reached unto every square inch of the Mediterranean Sea Regions Coastline, this is why it is stated Rome CRUSHES ALL the land. Because God is speaking of a specific region in His prophesies, not the whole world, but just 7 Kingdoms overall looking backwards from the book of Revelation, but only 4 looking forward from Babylon's time plus another one to come later on, after the Mortal Wound (the Church delivered this wound to the Beast Kingdoms) destroys the Beast Kingdom for a time, then it will again come alive (be healed) over Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, as explained in Daniel 11:40-43. So, this Man of Sin, Little Horn, Anti-Christ will make an Agreement with Israel and THE MANY [other nations in the region].

And Dan. 7:7-8 says these 10 (Complete Europe) arise out of the Fourth Beasts Head (Europe) and that this coming Little Horn arises in their midst (he's born in the E.U.), but Dan. 8:9 shows us which direction he must conquer in also, towards the East, South and Israel, thus he conquers from the Northwest corridor of the Greek Kingdom, or from Greece which is in the E.U. Thus is why we get the whole Dan. 11 genealogy of all the Greek kings to start with. Knowing all this, we can now show on a map the Mortal Wound being healed. Which is only Israel coming under Beast rule once again, after they enter into a political agreement with this E.U. Leader, who tricks them into giving up their Nukes, else there would be no conquering of Israel.

The Anti-Christ's coming Kingdom of the E.U. and the Landmass he is said to Conquer in Daniel 11:40-43 ads up to the Last Beast's Wound being healed. Add in the fact the he conquers towards the East which means Turkey (Seleucid) and we see why Turkey is not one of the nations the E.U. currently has agreements with in the region. God will destroy Iran, Turkey and Russia's Armies on the holy mountain of Israel, thus this Anti-Christ will just mow Turkey down when he goes forth conquering. Europe led by the Anti-Christ will turn on Israel plus THE MANY and the Mortal Wound will be healed.

The Anti-Christs Kingdom = Iron & Clay amidst the 10 toes/horns who give their Kingdom over to one man, the Little Horn.
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Notice how both the Roman Empire map and the above map of the European Union and the nations Daniel 11:40-43 says the Anti-Christ (E.U.) will conquer, both encompass the entire Mediterranean Sea Region? So, take out the Church Age via the coming Rapture and we went from Rome ruling all of Europe and the Mediterranean Sea Region (which includes Israel) to this last day Beast Kingdom run by the Anti-Christ, who rules over all the exact same territory, and everything picks up again exactly where the Church's Mortal Wound put a stop to these evil Beast Kingdoms for nigh 2000 years. Once we are taken to Heaven, the Beast will again be allowed to come forth, and the 70th week will begin, where Israel must repent or atone, and then Jesus will return and usher in the Kingdom Age. Thy Kingdom come was a prayer unto the Disciples for a reason.

The Anti-Christ does not conquer the whole world, that which is being spoken of is ONLY the 7 Heads and 10 Horns, which is only about the Mediterranean Sea Region. He Conquers the whole land mass being spoken about, only the Fourth Beast crushed every square inch of this spoken of land mass. Those who say the Anti-Christ conquers the whole world are not even thinking properly, God says 1/3 of the world is going to be totally destroyed by an incoming Asteroid Strike (Rev. 8). Satan and his Anti-Christ are not going to try to conquer that which is on fire and where all the trees are burning.

China will be a dictatorship unto themselves, Russia will be a ruthless dictator themselves, the USA and much of the North America Region, IMHO, will be destroyed. Combine North & South America and they (we) make up 1/3 of the worlds land mass. The Pacific Ocean makes up 1/3 of the Water on the earth, I think the 1/3 reference is telling us where this Asteroid is going to hit. The coming Anti-Christ is designated as a European Beast (Dan. 7:7-8), who has a man ruling over them who is born in Greece (Dan. 8:9), who then Conquers the whole Mediterranean Sea Region and Israel (Dan. 11:40-43).

Let's "TAKE OUT THE CHURCH AGE":

Let us then fit all of these maps back together taking out the 2000 some odd year Church Age Period, and they all run concurrent with each other. The Church delivered the Mortal Wound via our blood. As soon as we are taken out of the way, Satan reconstitutes his dream Beast Kingdom. Then Jesus shows up and defeats the Anti-Christ and his utopian dreams, along with Satan once and for all.

No place in Daniel chapter 7 is a 1,000 year Millennial reign on earth mentioned as claimed

 

[Ronald D Milam]

No place in Daniel chapter 7 is a 1,000 year Millennial reign on earth mentioned as claimed

And neither is the 1290 called the False Prophet in Daniel 12:11. God tells us to read the whole bible in order to understand all of His word, the book of Daniel was of God (Gabriel & Jesus/Man in Linen) not of Daniel, so why do you think we should only reference Daniel? Its the holy word of God, Jesus is the word, and the word was with us.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

It's not up to me to teach you the bible per se good sir, that has to come from your desire alone to learn these things, I don't mind making an effort, but the facts are when you already understand the facts and still say there is no 1000 year reign then you just have blinders on. Rev, 20 tells us there is a 1000 year reign, I showed this in another thread which I imagine you actually saw.

Its not even debatable, the facts are you are wrong on the 1000 year reign, and I don't even see it as a debatable point, if I thought it a debatable point it might be a constructive disagreement, its not. Trying to pin someone's understandings down to one Book on the Bible is just absurd, we speak about the end times, and we know more now then Daniel knew, Daniel had no clue about the Second Coming, we do, so should we not speak about the Second Coming ending all those wonders Daniel were shown? You see how bad of an argument that is?

Of course we can add things we now know in, the things Daniel were told would only be known later on, in the very end times. I am not going to ask permission speak about the Second Coming via Daniel just because he didn't cite it. I am not going to ask permission to speak about the obvious 1000 year reign just because he didn't speak about it and because you do not understand it. Be that as it may, I have already destroyed this argument, and that argument stands for itself.

As I stated, the 1000 year reign is not debatable unless God is a liar.

Revelation 20 clearly shows Satan is LOCKED UP for 1000 years and then released to deceive THE NATIONS once again on this earth which has a SEA where the Dead/Wicked are raised from and Judged.........The New Heaven and New Earth has NO SEA.

 

[Jay Ross]

God gave Daniel an interpretation to Nebuchadnezzars dream in Dan. 2 then in Dan. 7 He gave Daniel the same dream in how God viewed these same events.

Nebuchadnezzars Dream

Babylon = Gold, Persia = Silver, Greece = Brass, Rome = Iron and Clay & Iron/10 Toes.

Daniel's Dream

God's sees these same Kingdoms as Beasts which He allows to wield power over Israel so that Israel will be brought unto repentance, thus the Kingdom Age can be ushered in for the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ in Jerusalem.

My intention here is to show all of this in a transitional process which can be visualized via the scripture if we only take a step back and look at all this from a birds eye of view of 10,000 feet instead of trying to understand this from the ground level. Lets look at all the kingdoms on maps and go from there.

Please all you are doing is repeating the flawed understanding of the reformation fathers where they tried to figure out how they could demonise the Roman Catholic Church so that they could break the political control that the RCC exercised over the European kingdoms that existed at that time.

At that the time Babylon had been desolated and devastated by the Eastern Grecian Empire and the utilities and the people of Babylon had been scattered throughout this empire. So the State Prophecy of Dan. 2 describes only the first three entities that had dominion over the Land of Babylon as Babylon lay desolated and devastated such that people had no desire to live in that land from around 120 BC when the Eastern Greek Empire removed all of the people from the Land. The Roman Empire did march into the Land of the Chaldeans, but returned empty handed as there were no people to fight against or conquer. The Ottoman Empire Rule over much of the area surrounding the Land of the Chaldeans but because there were no people living in the Land of the Chaldeans they exercised no actual dominion over the land of the Chaldeans.

It was not until after WW! when the Ottoman Empire was defeated that their empire was cut up by the victors of WW1 and the land of the Chaldeans was remembered once more before God. (Rev. 16:17-21) The actual fourth Segment of the Statue prophecy having dominion over the Land of the Chaldeans since 1926 when it was repopulated once more is the Nation of Iraq. The subsequent feet and toes of the Statue Prophecy is the Coalition of the Willing which invaded the nation of Iraq in 2003. There were twenty nations in total that formed up the Coalition of the Willing with the King of the North. i.e. the President of the USA, providing the largest number of troops for this invasion to take control of the Land of the Chaldeans.

We can read the above understanding in the book of Jeremiah 50-51 for those that are interested.

Now it is in the time of the fifth segment kings of the Statue prophecy, that God will establish His Everlasting Kingdom on the earth and the Rock, uncut by human hands comes down out of heaven to strike the Statue on its feet such that if falls down and is turned into the chaff of the summer threshing floor to be blown away by the winds of the Holy Spirit moving across the whole earth during the time that the kings of the earth and the wicked fallen heavenly hosts are locked up in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years.

Now you wrote: - " God's sees these same Kingdoms as Beasts which He allows to wield power over Israel. . . ". This is not true.

You quoted this scripture: -

Dan. 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

which can be unpacked very differently.

"The four winds of heaven, who are the four beasts, stir up the great sea such that there rises up manifestations of the four respective beasts and their respective dominate characteristic in each of the respective manifested "beastly" empires which chose to inhabit just one of the respective dominions of the four beasts."​

Over history we have seen many kingdoms and nations manifest the four respective beasts rise up and then collapse back down into the sea of humanity. In Dan. 8 we are given an insight as to when the third beast with the four heads appears, shortly after the death of Alexandra the Great as we are told that "four notable horns come up towards the four winds of heaven to replace the single horn of Alexandra the Great.

What you have presented is a humanisation of the beasts such that they remain hidden in the background pulling the strings so to speak of what we are presently seeing unfolding in the world today.

Sadly these lies from the time of the reformation fathers are still strong today.

Shalom

 

[Truth7t7]

And neither is the 1290 called the False Prophet in Daniel 12:11. God tells us to read the whole bible in order to understand all of His word, the book of Daniel was of God (Gabriel & Jesus/Man in Linen) not of Daniel, so why do you think we should only reference Daniel? Its the holy word of God, Jesus is the word, and the word was with us.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

It's not up to me to teach you the bible per se good sir, that has to come from your desire alone to learn these things, I don't mind making an effort, but the facts are when you already understand the facts and still say there is no 1000 year reign then you just have blinders on. Rev, 20 tells us there is a 1000 year reign, I showed this in another thread which I imagine you actually saw.

Its not even debatable, the facts are you are wrong on the 1000 year reign, and I don't even see it as a debatable point, if I thought it a debatable point it might be a constructive disagreement, its not. Trying to pin someone's understandings down to one Book on the Bible is just absurd, we speak about the end times, and we know more now then Daniel knew, Daniel had no clue about the Second Coming, we do, so should we not speak about the Second Coming ending all those wonders Daniel were shown? You see how bad of an argument that is?

Of course we can add things we now know in, the things Daniel were told would only be known later on, in the very end times. I am not going to ask permission speak about the Second Coming via Daniel just because he didn't cite it. I am not going to ask permission to speak about the obvious 1000 year reign just because he didn't speak about it and because you do not understand it. Be that as it may, I have already destroyed this argument, and that argument stands for itself.

As I stated, the 1000 year reign is not debatable unless God is a liar.

Revelation 20 clearly shows Satan is LOCKED UP for 1000 years and then released to deceive THE NATIONS once again on this earth which has a SEA where the Dead/Wicked are raised from and Judged.........The New Heaven and New Earth has NO SEA.

The claim was (Daniel Chapter 7) and a 1,000 millennial kingdom on this earth seen

Nowhere is a 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth seen in Daniel Chapter 7 as claimed

 

[Ronald D Milam]

The claim was (Daniel Chapter 7) and a 1,000 millennial kingdom on this earth seen

Nowhere is a 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth seen in Daniel Chapter 7 as claimed

I am not going to debate red herrings with you sir. I will just prove you in error as per the facts.

Daniel 7 and 8 both show The Beast Kingdoms which the Church Age splits asunder. After Jesus returns and defeats these Beasts by defeating the Anti-Christ, he will set up his Kingdom. I can even show you where that is at in Daniel 7 but of course you will dismiss it because you have other ideas that are not factual, IMHO. I just wanted to see if you might find it for yourself.

Dan. 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast(Rome), dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse(different) from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns(E.U. which reunites).

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn,(he is born in Greece, which is in the E.U.) before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man(A.C.), and a mouth speaking great things. (The last beast is a Human being)

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient(Jesus Rules)of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool(Jesus' 1000 year rule): his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered (All the hosts of Heaven) unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him(Jesus will judge, but this here in verse 9 is all a Parenthetical Citation which comes AFTER the 1000 year reign): the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.(See Rev 19) 12 As concerning the rest of the beasts(Babylon, Persia and Greece), they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Now, the 1000 year reign on this earth is admittedly only a small portion (of course) of Jesus' Eternal Kingdom. But we know it is factual, as Rev. 20 shows us. If you can refute that Rev. 20 shows a 1000 year reign be my guest brother. It is futile however because the holy word shows that the first 1000 years of Jesus' Everlasting Dominion Reign will be from Jerusalem on this earth, which has a Sea. The new heaven and earth has NO SEA. So, the wicked who are raised from the sea after Jesus 1000 year reign has to be from this earth, now is it possible that this 1000 years might simply mean Jesus' COMPLETE DOMINION RULE that lasts an Eternity and forever more and that this ALL HAPPENS in the New Jerusalem? Yes, that indeed would be a possible thought brother, since 10 means COMPLETION as I always say, or in this case God's and Jesus' COMPLETION of their Dominion forever and ever, BUT............................there is that one small thing that tells us the first 1000 years as seen in Rev. 20 actually means 1000 years on this earth. There will be NO SEAS in the New Heaven and the New Earth, thus we have to be on this old earth when the wicked men's bodies are raised from the seas brother.

So, I already thought through that brother, I am not discounting that was a possibility, but then God always provides the true answers in His holy word, we just have to dig it out. Without that reference to NO SEAS in Rev. 21, I would say you have a point, it could just be 1000 as in 10 x 10 x 10 means COMPLETION, or the Eternal Rule of God. But the NO SEA in Rev. 21 on the New Earth is God telling us, there will be a Kingdom Age on this earth, of course its all throughout the Old Testament also.

God Bless.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Please all you are doing is repeating the flawed understanding of the reformation fathers where they tried to figure out how they could demonise the Roman Catholic Church so that they could break the political control that the RCC exercised over the European kingdoms that existed at that time.

The RCC has zero to do with these facts shown above, even if you somehow conflate the true understanding, with those who mix facts with truth. Satan loves mixing facts and truths as he did with Adam & Eve, "you shall not surly die". So, God's Prophetic truths, are still His truths, even when Satan confuses people with the Herbert W. Armstrong understandings, and with the Church of England's old understandings that tried to tie the RCC to the Beast etc. In other words, Satan wins in your line if thinking because he has managed to do this via prophecy in your mind.

Satan has managed to CONFUSE the facts so that seeing as how someone or some groups in history have managed to accuse the RCC and/or the Pope (I think this one is evil TBH as others have been long ago) of being the Beast or even the False Prophet, then that in your mind means no one can ever tell the true facts, which are that the Fourth Beast is Rome, and the 10 Horns are the E.U. who have reconstituted as a political entity, just as God prophesied they would, but since you have heard this same line of thinking attributed to the RCC and/or Pope, we shouldn't be able to say what God has prophesied !!

This just in, the Anti-Christ will be a Politician/Gentile Ruler/King/E.U. President born in Greece, he will have a False Prophet with him who history seems to teach us will be a Jewish High Priest after the order of Jason (real name Yeshua) who bribed Antiochus in order to be named the Jewish High Priest, thereby having his Pious High Priest brother Onias III killed. Now, I think it will be a High Priest, but it is minutely possible the "False Prophet" could just be an Israeli Prime Minister, but history tells us it was Jason who betrayed his brothers, welcomed Antiochus into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus then tried to mandate Hellenization unto all of the Jews, leading unto the Maccabean Revolt. So, while I completely sympathize with your RCC and Pope bashing concerns, Europe and the Fourth Beast has zero to do with either the RCC or the Pope, so I digress, I can not stop speaking the truth brother just because you conflate these issues.

P.S. I don't study Reformation anything, I study the word and I seek God's guidance.

At that the time Babylon had been desolated and devastated by the Eastern Grecian Empire and the utilities and the people of Babylon had been scattered throughout this empire. So the State Prophecy of Dan. 2 describes only the first three entities that had dominion over the Land of Babylon as Babylon lay desolated and devastated such that people had no desire to live in that land from around 120 BC when the Eastern Greek Empire removed all of the people from the Land. The Roman Empire did march into the Land of the Chaldeans, but returned empty handed as there were no people to fight against or conquer. The Ottoman Empire Rule over much of the area surrounding the Land of the Chaldeans but because there were no people living in the Land of the Chaldeans they exercised no actual dominion over the land of the Chaldeans.

So, now I see your REAL CONCERNS, you are down the Joel Richardson rabbit hole. I so overcame all of his points on his own site that they shadow banned me, LOL. I like Joel overall,(even though he is in error) but his side kick is not very humble, and seems to not be able to take defeat on any of his points. You not understanding that the Four Beasts of Daniel are Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece and Rome is all on you brother, finesse it however you will, it just utterly falls on its face.

Daniel 2 describes Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, AND the 10 Horns that arise again out of the Fourth Beasts Head in the End Times, or the COMPLETE number thereof, howsoever many nations that be in the end times, right now the E.U. is like 25 some odd nations, counting or not counting the UK contingent. Its not 10, it was never 10, that number just means the complete number thereof. (10 = Completion)

The bible is clearly not about Babylon, its about Israel, Babylon is not even anywhere near the Mediterranean Sea, this is all about the 7 Heads and 10 Horns who rule over Israel, and about the final four Beast's PLUS ONE (A.C.) who God uses in order to bring Israel unto repentance, as Daniels 70 weeks prophesy states in Dan. 9:24-27.

The Ottoman Empire nor the British Empire are Beasts, this is an error, Israel was never ruled over by these Nations because God tells us (see it in Dan. 37, the Valley of Dry Bones Prophecy) that Israel is as Dead Men's Bones from 70ish AD until 1948, thus they could not be Beasted over during the Church Age, this is why the Scarlet Colored Beast (Apollyon) is locked up, the Mortal Wound happens via the Church. Israel called Apollyon The Destroyer, he sought to destroy Israel, so God locked him in the Bottomless Pit. He is released in Rev. 9 as foretold in Rev. 17, he is the Scarlet Colored Beast with NO CROWNS, (go look) the Rev. 12 Beast/Dragon has CROWNS on the 7 Heads (7 Kingdoms over Israel/Mediterranean Sea Region), the Rev. 13 Anti-Christ Beast has 10 CROWNS on the 10 Horns, meaning he is over the European Union, who then conquers Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, GO READ Dan. 11:40-43, it tells us this. But the Rev, 17 Beast has NO CROWNS, it is Apollyon, who is in the bottomless pit and has been since John wrote the book of Revelation. Now, Rome remained a Beast until their final King FELL as a Beast over the Region, but by 90ish AD Apollyon had already been locked up. SEE BELOW:

Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit,(NOTIICE, Apollyon was LOCKED UP when John wrote this he is not) and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. (BUT....The Kings who fall still had ONE that WAS(Rome) ...and ONE YET TO COME, the Anti-Chrst, see below).

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is(Rome), and the other is not yet come(Anti-Christ); and when he cometh, he must continue a short space(for 42 months). 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

{{{ In other words Apollyon was placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region by Satan long, long, long ago. His job was to destroy Israel. He was over the 7 or Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, THEN he was cast into the Bottomless Pit. (as in he is there NOW) He will be of the Anti-Christ when he is released at the first Woe in Rev. 9. Thus he is of ALL SEVEN and he is the King of the Bottomless Pit so even though he has NO CROWNS on this earth, he is indeed an 8th King (great riddle Father God) and will have been OF THE SEVEN !! As a matter of fact we can see him in Dan. chapter 10, he is the prince of Persia who resisted Michael for 21 days !! }}}

It was not until after WW! when the Ottoman Empire was defeated that their empire was cut up by the victors of WW1 and the land of the Chaldeans was remembered once more before God. (Rev. 16:17-21) The actual fourth Segment of the Statue prophecy having dominion over the Land of the Chaldeans since 1926 when it was repopulated once more is the Nation of Iraq. The subsequent feet and toes of the Statue Prophecy is the Coalition of the Willing which invaded the nation of Iraq in 2003. There were twenty nations in total that formed up the Coalition of the Willing with the King of the North. i.e. the President of the USA, providing the largest number of troops for this invasion to take control of the Land of the Chaldeans.

Now, all this is moot once you understand THE ABOVE things I pointed out unto you brother. It literally means nothing, the Ottoman Empire NEVER not ONCE ruled over Israel, nor did the British Empire in all of its glory.

Here is the gist, you are down the Joel Richardson rabbit hole brother. He is WRONG just as those who claim the RCC and the Pope are a part of the Beast and/or False Prophet are wrong. Satan is head faking both of these understandings.

God Bless.

 

[Jay Ross]

The RCC has zero to do with these facts shown above, even if you somehow conflate the true understanding, with those who mix facts with truth. Satan loves mixing facts and truths as he did with Adam & Eve, "you shall not surly die". So, God's Prophetic truths, are still His truths, even when Satan confuses people with the Herbert W. Armstrong understandings, and with the Church of England's old understandings that tried to tie the RCC to the Beast etc. In other words, Satan wins in your line if thinking because he has managed to do this via prophecy in your mind.

Satan has managed to CONFUSE the facts so that seeing as how someone or some groups in history have managed to accuse the RCC and/or the Pope (I think this one is evil TBH as others have been long ago) of being the Beast or even the False Prophet, then that in your mind means no one can ever tell the true facts, which are that the Fourth Beast is Rome, and the 10 Horns are the E.U. who have reconstituted as a political entity, just as God prophesied they would, but since you have heard this same line of thinking attributed to the RCC and/or Pope, we shouldn't be able to say what God has prophesied !!

This just in, the Anti-Christ will be a Politician/Gentile Ruler/King/E.U. President born in Greece, he will have a False Prophet with him who history seems to teach us will be a Jewish High Priest after the order of Jason (real name Yeshua) who bribed Antiochus in order to be named the Jewish High Priest, thereby having his Pious High Priest brother Onias III killed. Now, I think it will be a High Priest, but it is minutely possible the "False Prophet" could just be an Israeli Prime Minister, but history tells us it was Jason who betrayed his brothers, welcomed Antiochus into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus then tried to mandate Hellenization unto all of the Jews, leading unto the Maccabean Revolt. So, while I completely sympathize with your RCC and Pope bashing concerns, Europe and the Fourth Beast has zero to do with either the RCC or the Pope, so I digress, I can not stop speaking the truth brother just because you conflate these issues.

P.S. I don't study Reformation anything, I study the word and I seek God's guidance.

It seems to me that you have the same understanding of the Beasts and the Little horn, who is also the False Prophet in the book of Rev., as the reformation fathers also expressed in their era. The apple does not fall far from the same "tree of knowledge."

So the best

So, now I see your REAL CONCERNS, you are down the Joel Richardson rabbit hole. I so overcame all of his points on his own site that they shadow banned me, LOL. I like Joel overall,(even though he is in error) but his side kick is not very humble, and seems to not be able to take defeat on any of his points. You not understanding that the Four Beasts of Daniel are Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece and Rome is all on you brother, finesse it however you will, it just utterly falls on its face.

Another false claim. I disagree with Joel in that he's "apple" has also not fallen far from the Same "tree of knowledge," as the reformation fathers as well as yours. Joel did not like me either, because I saw that he was pushing a particular point of view that Islam is the fourth beast and not Rome because his understanding is to humanise the beasts and the Little Horn so that he can point to a person and claim that they are the beast or the false prophet.

The same lies from the era of the Reformation fathers are still being propagated by you and Joel, but with different "humans" as the key players.

I do not see the beasts or the False prophet in the same manner as you do and I agree with what Paul wrote in Ep. 6:12

Ephesians 6:12: - 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.​

So Goodbye then.

 

[Truth7t7]

I am not going to debate red herrings with you sir. I will just prove you in error as per the facts.

Daniel 7 and 8 both show The Beast Kingdoms which the Church Age splits asunder. After Jesus returns and defeats these Beasts by defeating the Anti-Christ, he will set up his Kingdom. I can even show you where that is at in Daniel 7 but of course you will dismiss it because you have other ideas that are not factual, IMHO. I just wanted to see if you might find it for yourself.

Dan. 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast(Rome), dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse(different) from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns(E.U. which reunites).

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn,(he is born in Greece, which is in the E.U.) before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man(A.C.), and a mouth speaking great things. (The last beast is a Human being)

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient(Jesus Rules)of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool(Jesus' 1000 year rule): his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered (All the hosts of Heaven) unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him(Jesus will judge, but this here in verse 9 is all a Parenthetical Citation which comes AFTER the 1000 year reign): the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.(See Rev 19) 12 As concerning the rest of the beasts(Babylon, Persia and Greece), they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Now, the 1000 year reign on this earth is admittedly only a small portion (of course) of Jesus' Eternal Kingdom. But we know it is factual, as Rev. 20 shows us. If you can refute that Rev. 20 shows a 1000 year reign be my guest brother. It is futile however because the holy word shows that the first 1000 years of Jesus' Everlasting Dominion Reign will be from Jerusalem on this earth, which has a Sea. The new heaven and earth has NO SEA. So, the wicked who are raised from the sea after Jesus 1000 year reign has to be from this earth, now is it possible that this 1000 years might simply mean Jesus' COMPLETE DOMINION RULE that lasts an Eternity and forever more and that this ALL HAPPENS in the New Jerusalem? Yes, that indeed would be a possible thought brother, since 10 means COMPLETION as I always say, or in this case God's and Jesus' COMPLETION of their Dominion forever and ever, BUT............................there is that one small thing that tells us the first 1000 years as seen in Rev. 20 actually means 1000 years on this earth. There will be NO SEAS in the New Heaven and the New Earth, thus we have to be on this old earth when the wicked men's bodies are raised from the seas brother.

So, I already thought through that brother, I am not discounting that was a possibility, but then God always provides the true answers in His holy word, we just have to dig it out. Without that reference to NO SEAS in Rev. 21, I would say you have a point, it could just be 1000 as in 10 x 10 x 10 means COMPLETION, or the Eternal Rule of God. But the NO SEA in Rev. 21 on the New Earth is God telling us, there will be a Kingdom Age on this earth, of course its all throughout the Old Testament also.

God Bless.

Once Again, it's not going to change, show the forum where your 1,000 year Kingdom exist on Daniel Chapter 7 as claimed!

The claim was (Daniel Chapter 7) and a 1,000 millennial kingdom on this earth seen

Nowhere is a 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth seen in Daniel Chapter 7 as claimed

 

[Ronald D Milam]

It seems to me that you have the same understanding of the Beasts and the Little horn, who is also the False Prophet in the book of Rev., as the reformation fathers also expressed in their era. The apple does not fall far from the same "tree of knowledge."

So the best

"Seems to you" means nothing to me sir TBH. A lot of things may SEEM TO YOU, but that is a bogus statement because it SEEMS you clearly stated they were anti the RCC and by extension the Pope. But that clearly (LOOK ITS VERY CLEAR) is not my understanding, so do not try and say we have the same understanding when you have already defined their understandings as different by leaps and bounds from mine. You are arguing against your own point with your own self. They are just as far away as you are, but at least they understand the Fourth Beast comes out of Rome and that Babylon was one of the Beasts spoken of in Daniel.

Another false claim. I disagree with Joel in that he's "apple" has also not fallen far from the Same "tree of knowledge," as the reformation fathers as well as yours.

OOhhhhhhhhh, I see, you have a double standard even betwixt you and I, you can have the same views as those by Joel Richardson and his ilk, but you are not an Apple from that tree, but since I see Rome as the Fourth Beast and the E.U. as the Little Horn and his 10 horns, I can ONLY BE the Apple on the Reformation people I have never read....That kind of made me chuckle tbh...

Joel did not like me either, because I saw that he was pushing a particular point of view that Islam is the fourth beast and not Rome because his understanding is to humanise the beasts and the Little Horn so that he can point to a person and claim that they are the beast or the false prophet.

I don't follow other men, when I tell you this, maybe try just taking my word for it. And maybe I will likewise do you the same way. Even if I see you in error, I can listen and make arguments one way or another, as long as I have no one trying to tell me what I understand/believe and don't believe. No one I know understands the things God has shown me in full. I imagine people are out there, but God only choses a few to deliver His deepest secrets unto at all times, then His servants have to put the word out. I am not a follower of anyone but the Holy Spirit. PERIOD. I have heard of the Reformation, of course, but I have never studied them one iota.

The same lies from the era of the Reformation fathers are still being propagated by you and Joel, but with different "humans" as the key players.

I do not see the beasts or the False prophet in the same manner as you do and I agree with what Paul wrote in Ep. 6:12

Ephesians 6:12: - 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

You might want to stop calling people liars brother. Why is it people like you always get unhinged when challenged? So, if I post Ephesians 6:12 does that mean I also am battling against devils and thus that auto means you are one? Do you see how posting that makes zero sense brother? If you are wrong, and you are, then you posting this verse still means you are wrong !!

P.S. I understand those who do not see Babylon as a Beast, they do something odd (I can't remember offhand) and they like count the Four Generals, or have many different Roman Emperors count, whatsoever it is, when you skip Babylon as a Beast, whatsoever kind of counting you do to get to your conclusion has to be in error. PERIOD.

May God Bless, I shan't imply you are a devil.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Once Again, it's not going to change, show the forum where your 1,000 year Kingdom exist on Daniel Chapter 7 as claimed!

The claim was (Daniel Chapter 7) and a 1,000 millennial kingdom on this earth seen

Nowhere is a 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth seen in Daniel Chapter 7 as claimed

SMH...........

 

[Truth7t7]

SMH...........

Crickets, Expected "Smiles"!

 

[Enoch111]

Once Again, it's not going to change, show the forum where your 1,000 year Kingdom exist on Daniel Chapter 7 as claimed!

You do not need to be totally obtuse. Daniel 7 clearly shows the Kingdom of God under Christ. Since 1,000 years of the reign is mentioned in Revelation 20, that is more than enough proof. But naysayers like you have an agenda -- deny, deny, deny.

 

[Truth7t7]

You do not need to be totally obtuse. Daniel 7 clearly shows the Kingdom of God under Christ. Since 1,000 years of the reign is mentioned in Revelation 20, that is more than enough proof. But naysayers like you have an agenda -- deny, deny, deny.

"Topic" Daniel Chapter 7 doesn't show a literal year 1,000 kingdom on this earth, "Where"?

 

[Enoch111]

The Anti-Christ does not conquer the whole world...

Except that according to the Bible he does. Now please note very carefully:
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Revelation 13:7)

Did you get that? Does "all" mean all -- the whole world? But just so you fail to get the message, John adds this: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8)

 

[Enoch111]

"Topic" Daniel Chapter 7 doesn't show a literal 1,000 kingdom on this earth, "Where"?

This is called being "stupid". If A = B + C, then B and C do not need to be shown as specific values. They can be any values which add up to A.

 

[Jay Ross]

Seems to you means nothing to me sir TBH. A lot if things may SEEM TO YOU, but that is a bogus statement because it SEEMS you clearly stated they were anti the RCC and by extension the Pope. But that clearly (LOOK ITS VERY CLEAR) is not my understanding, so do not try and say we have the same understanding when you have already defined their understandings as different by leaps and bounds. You are arguing against your own point with your own self. They are just as far away as you are, but at least they understand the Fourth Beast comes out if Rome and that Babylon was one of the Beasts spoken of in Daniel.


OOhhhhhhhhh, I see, you have a double standard even betwixt you and I, you can have the same views as those by Joel Richardson and his ilk, but you are not an Apple from that tree, but since I see Rome as the Fourth Beast and the E.U. as the Little Horn and his 10 horns, I can ONLY BE the Apple on the Reformation people I have never read....That kind of made me chuckle tbh...



I don't follow other men, when I tell you this, maybe try just taking my word for it. And maybe I will likewise do you the same way. Even if I see you in error, I can listen and make arguments one way or another, as long as I have no one trying to tell me what I understand/believe and don't believe. No one I know understand things God has shown me in full. I imagine people are out there, but God only choses a few to deliver His deepest secrets unto at all times, then His servants have to put the word out. I am not a follower of anyone but the Holy Spirit. PERIOD. I have heard of the Reformation, of course, but I have never studied them one iota.


You might want to stop calling people liars brother. Why is it people like you always get unhinged when challenged? So, if I post Ephesians 6:12 dos that mean I also am battling against devils and thus that auto means you are one? Do you see how posting that makes zero sense brother? If you are wrong, and you are, then you posting this still means you are wrong !!

P.S. I understand those who do not see Babylon as a Beast, they do something odd (I can't remember offhand) and like count the Four Generals, or have many different Roman Emperors count, whatsoever it is, when you skip Babylon as a Beast, whatsoever kind of counting you do to get to your conclusion has to be in error. PERIOD.

May God Bless, In shan't imply you are a devil.

You have more curves to your arguments than Gi Gi had.

Goodbye

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Except that according to the Bible he does. Now please note very carefully:
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Revelation 13:7)

Did you get that? Does "all" mean all -- the whole world? But just so you fail to get the message, John adds this: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8)

Yes, I understand the book of Revelation says this, and that God gave this unto Jesus to give unto John via Angels making proclamations, and via Jesus showing John visions etc. etc.

But being a deeply informed student of prophecy, I have already taken all of these things into account my brother before making this understanding public, a few years back. Bear with me whilst I walk through these factoids that pointed me unto this conclusion.

God gave Nebuchadnezzar and Daniel the dreams in Dan. 2 and Dan. 7 we agree on that right? So, lets look back at those dreams and God's interpretation unto Daniel via Gabriel so we can get a better understanding of why I am saying this brother. (by the way, its a great question/pointed observation)

Dan 2:36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. 37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. 40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. 41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. 43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

I only needed verses 38 and 39 from above, but since this fits with the thread, I like explaining what the iron and clay means and the 10 toes, and even the part that states "They shall mingle themselves with the seed of men" but I will do that at the very end.

Above, we see that Daniel was shown in a dream that Nebuchadnezzar was going to be ruling over all mankind, wherever men dwelled, and that he was made ruler over all men everywhere. Then when it gets to the 3rd Beast of Greece we see the brass rulers kingdom would also rule the "whole earth" as verse 39 clearly states.

We know that Nebuchadnezzar nor Alexander the Great/Greece ever ruled over the whole earth. So, we have to adjust our thinking unto God's thought process here. God is not speaking about the WHOLE EARTH here, He is only speaking about the whole earth (Mediterranean Sea Region) in which He is informing Daniel that this dream is about, Beast Kingdom Nations who rule over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region. The Aramiac word being used here is "ara' which can mean earth, land, ground, in other words the whole ground being spoken of in any given situation. So, what was the land being spoken of by God here? Lets look at Dan. 7 now before we decide in full.

Dan. 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. 18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom(Saints usually refer to the Jews in the Old Testament and the Kingdom Age is Jesus ruling in Jerusalem) for ever, even for ever and ever.

19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; 20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them(The Jews whom do not Repent and flee Judea AND the Jews who had to flee, he conquered THEIR LAND thus he prevailed against them); 22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time(He rules for 1260 days over Israel/Jerusalem). 26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

Once again, we see that the WHOLE EARTH is spoken of, but just as in Daniel 2, this is speaking about the Mediterranean Sea Region land, we know this is the exact same region being spoken of in the book of Revelation, chapter 13 by the DESIGNATED DESCRITION of the 7 Headed Beast with 10 Horns. Those 7 Heads are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome AND the Coming Anti-Christ/Beast/Man of Sin, who arises amongst the 10 (ALL Europe) which is the E.U. So, in Revelation chapter 13 God is shouting at us where this is going to take place. This is how God designates where this Kingdom arises, via the 7 Heads and 10 Horns. He even calls them out by name, Bear(Persia), Leopard(Greece) and Lion(Babylon), by the Mortal Wound (Rome) and by the Mortal Wound being HEALED (Anti-Christ). So, in the book of Revelation 13:7 I agree, its the WHOLE EARTH that has been designated by God as a part of these Beast/Dominions ruling over Israel and the WHOLE LAND being spoken of, the Mediterranean Sea Region, and thus it gets pegged as such via the 7 Heads and 10 horns. The MANY is the rest of the nations the E.U. conquers in the region, we can clearly see al of those nations in Daniel 11:40-43.

So, the WHOLE EARTH doesn't always mean the entire world. God sees things differently than we do, He designates regions and then speaks of all of that land, just like He did in Dan. chapter 2 via Nebuchadnezzar and Greece.

In Rev. 17 we can see John speaks about the Martyrs of Jesus AND the Saints of God as in God sees them as different peoples, the Saints are used mostly in referring unto the Jews in a general sort of way in the Old Testament. Of course Jews will live in all of these European nations, and he will have power over them all, in Israel, and in these other nations also, and I suppose Saints cam be a term fir Gentile Christians in the book of Revelation also, we know many Muslims will come to the Lord at this end time. But in general, God classifies them in two different categories. BELOW:

Rev. 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

So, the WHOLE EARTH doesn't have to mean the WHOLE WORLD brother. We know 1/3 of the world is set ablaze, we see who the Anti-Christ conquers in Dan. 11:40-43, its only in the Mediterranean Sea Region that he is show conquering nations, Israel and THE MANY.

God Bless, think about this.