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  1. theefaith

    theefaith Active Member

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    Where’s the rapture in the Bible?
     
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    theefaith Active Member

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    The reason I ask is Matt 24 the gathering of the church is after the last trump and the second coming
     
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    1 Cor. 15:52, Matt. 24:31 (as well as Mark 13 & Luke 21) 1 Thess. 4:16-17, 2 Thess. 2:1...Timing of it...Rev. 6- After the signs of the 6th seal Rev. 6:12-17 and before the opening of the 7th seal/1st trumpet. Our arrival in heaven is depicted in Rev. 7:9!
     
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    The word Rapture is not in the Bible.

    What is in the Bible, is a description of particular people being ... Taken, claimed, Redeemed, Transported.

    The particular People...are those Faithful To, and Converted IN Christ.

    The Converted IN Christ, have experienced, a Spiritual Crucifixion With Jesus, and are Accounted, their natural body Accounted Dead, and THEY living in His Risen Body.

    The Raising UP of their (physically dead or living body), is Accomplished by the Lord,
    Descending from Heaven to the Clouds, and Claiming, Redeeming, Those particular Body's.

    How Those Bodies are Raised...is they are called up, to the Clouds. THEY who are His can Hear Him.
    John 10:
    [27] My sheep hear my voice...

    The TRANSPORT of those Body's, from the Earth to the Clouds... in Scripture is Called...
    "caught up".

    1 Thes 4:
    [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead [/B] in Christ [/B] shall rise first:
    [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    "Caught up"...transported,
    .....in Greek, is Harpazo.

    "Caught up"...transported
    .....in Latin, is Raptus...verb, Rapio

    "Caught up"...transported...
    ....in English, is Rapture.

    Answer to your question.
    In Scripture "caught up", is in 1 Thes 4:17.
    In English the meaning of "caught up", is Rapture.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    There is nowhere that the Bible says the Lord will remove His people from the earth to heaven.
    Jesus said such a thing was impossible. John 3:13, and He prayed to God that they NOT be removed, but protected, John 17:15

    Jesus will Return and when He does; will He find faith on earth? Will His people endure until the end?
     
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    Matthew 24
    [36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    [37] But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    [38] For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    [39] And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    [40] Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    [41] Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    [42] Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
     
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    Only one major passage speaks of the rapture or great snatching away! There are many that imply it and hint at it but just one that actually describes it.

    1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
    King James Version

    15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


    The term rapture is from the Latin for the words "caught up" which is harpazo which means to be snatched up.
     
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    The Rapture of the Church has two major competing positions, Postrib and Pretrib. I have friends who are Midtrib, as well. Many are "Pantrib." The argument for Pretrib is based on John Darby's theology called Dispensationalism, in the vicinity of 1830 and passed on by the Schofield Reference Bible, Prophecy Conferences, Dallas Theological Seminary, Hal Lindsey, the Lahaye books, etc.

    The Postrib position is the major historical position of the Church, based on the Olivet Discourse and 2 Thes 2. The Pretrib position is largely an argument from symbolism. The Postrib position is supported by explicit biblical doctrine, if it is interpreted as such.

    The purpose of the "Rapture" is to be glorified, ie transformed into immortality, like Christ's own immortality. That way we can all reign in the Kingdom of God. To participate in Christ's Coming we must first go to him in heaven to be transformed, and then return with him, all in a second of time.

    The dead believers are currently in heaven with Christ. We will ascend to them in a second of time, and return with them within the same second. It is instantaneous. The Church is not going to reign in heaven but over the earth. I don't personally know where the glorified saints will reign over the earth from--heaven or earth?
     
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    Can you define and dispensate different types of tribulation occurring in the last 5990 years?

    If that task is too hard, then perhaps guessing at the word tribulation should just stop period. Since tribulation has been nonstop, then what happens may be slightly more than normal.

    I mean after the tribulation of two world wars and the Jewish holocaust, the nation of Israel was born. It is literally still after those days. We still have humans living today who remember that tribulation. Those days are fast fading away, and a new time of trouble may happen, but we really do not have to wait for unforgettable tribulation to happen. That is not something that has to happen yet. The one thing that has not happened is that 25% of the population has died in a single tumultuous event. Even the 2 WW's, the Spanish flu, and the holocaust did not kill 25% of human population last century. This is the 4th seal event, that has not been historically experienced to date.

    I think it is foolish to declare one has to go through a certain point of tribulation to get the correct return. The return will be the defining feature, not the tribulation preceding. A definite claim at which tribulation is as much speculation, guessing, and private interpretation as setting the exact date of the return itself.
     
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    I would add pre-wrath into the mix as it blends both of those positions together perfectly when one understands that while the great trib is in the context of the 70th week it has nothing to do w/ the times mentioned in the bible. It is a short term event that will be in the midst of the first half and end before the end of the first half. It will be much shorter than 3 1/2 years.
     
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    The bible doesn't say that 1/4 of the population will die. What it does say is that 1/4 of the earth will be affected by those plagues.
     
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    Where’s the rapture in the Bible?
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    1 Thes 4:
    [17] ... caught up...

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    That is not what this version states:

    "They were given authority to kill one-quarter of the world by war, by famine, by plagues and with the wild animals of the earth."

    Being killed is being killed, no?
     
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    Second coming of Christ not rapture!
     
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    Matt 24:
    [21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    Scripture teaches a Difference Between-

    MEN who CAUSE and GO Through:
    "THEIR OWN Tribulations"
    AND
    GOD HIMSELF who CAUSES "Great Tribulation."

    Glory to God,
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    Well we know that you are post trib.

    And you are wrong about how each view is viewed.

    It is the pre-trib position which stands based on the Bible as written!

    The post trib view is based on convenantalism and the allegorical method of interpretation which was popularized by Augustine in the church and then became the theology of the church of the dark ages!

    YOur all in a second of time is a twisitng of 1 Cor. 15.

    Yes dispensational theolgy was recovered in the church with Darby and Miller. After the reformation had brought SCriptures to light to the masses again, the first order of business was the most improtant doctrines to be straightened out that were promulgated byt the Church state of Constantine and His successors and then the Roman Church.

    This took time and sadly much bloodshed! Then with the Biblical truths for the far more important doctrines having gained a foothold and liberating believers, Eschatology became a subject God wished also to straithen out.

    A pre trib rapture is the only view that can fit all the biblical passages concerning believers, the church and what happens during the tribulation period.

    I do wish to remind you that it is the post trib people (as well as the rest of teh covenantal and allegorical holders) who mocked and said Israel would never be regathered as a nation again as dispensational believers predicted right from Scriprure! 1948 it happened

    Also it is dispensational believers who declared Israel would regain Jerusalem and ultimately rebuild the temple. They have Jeruslaem and are preparing to rebuild. They have to wait for God to OKAY IT.

    It is dispensational believers using the bible as written that have declared that there is a coming invasion of Israel with Russia as the major player and other nations as allies word for word from Ezekiel 38-39 to take a spoil and prey!

    Well ISrale now has billions of barrels of oil and trilions of cubic feet of natrual gas and is on their way to untold wealth! And the allies of Russia are all aligned with Russia now!

    We are also declaring since the 1800's a 1 world govt. a 1 world super church, ten kings coming out of the one world govt and then the antichrist as written in Scripture!

    Given the biblical reasons God gives for the tribulation period of 7 years, the promises to the body of Christ and the destruction of believers in the tribulation the only biblical conclusion one can draw with re-interpreting the Scriptures is a pre trib rapture.
     
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    Tribulation is tribulation. INi th epast 5990 years most of the tribulation if not over 99.9% of it is simply caused by us living in the fallen world.

    But teh 7 year tribulation is a specific God caused period of judgment and woe upon the earth.
     
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    Uh...

    * Body's do not come from Heaven or Go to Heaven.
    * Saved souls & Quickened spirits of Dead Body's go to Heaven.
    * Dead body's are buried or left in the open to be eaten by animals/and rot.

    Pre- Great Trib- IS for those "IN Christ".
    Body, soul, spirit. (Rapture- Called up to Clouds)

    During Trib - IS Saving of souls & quickening of spirits, (Carried- to Heaven by angels)...Body's killed, Remain on Earth.

    See a Difference?

    Late Trib - unsaved souls, Sent- to Hell, to wait Judgement. Their Body's killed, rot on Earth, also eaten by birds.

    Called-
    Carried-
    Sent-

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    The gathering of the Those IN Christ,
    IS "the Trump of God", Voice of the Archangel, Calling Those IN Christ To the Clouds, which IS above the Face of the Earth (Face of the Earth IS Where Great Tribulation Will occur)...
    Because OF:
    Wrath of the Lamb
    Wrath of the Devil
    Wrath of God
    Gods cup of Revenge

    The Trump of God, is not the LAST Trump.
    The Last Trump is Sounded by the Seventh Angel.

    Glory to God,
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    Jesus does not distinguish that the tribulation is of God.

    The Gospels do not paint the Romans as Sunday School peace keepers. We have more peace today than the Roman Pax.

    God judges the earth. That is a given. That His judgment is the Greatest Tribulation is not as cut and dried. It will be greater than "World Wars and 2 nukes dropped on cities" is all we can know. The 1900's was not the tribulation period. No seals of Revelation were opened prior to a year ago.
     
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