On that account I must agree with you...Not all of the bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
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On that account I must agree with you...Not all of the bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Are you sure?
Romans 3:7
Where in the bible is it said that ANY lie is profitable?
If I have a problem with Paul, it is because he is found admitting he is a liar, it generally tends to effect the trust. Pauls writings require correction...but then you will accuse of tampering.
Timothy his warning to check everything, reprove, up for correction? What is left from scripture? Not difficult to deduce who Paul is and what his works are.
Ok.
You defended Pauls lie. Now do you reject the other books warning about liars (and their inheritence).
Have you even read my posts in this thread? I feel the need to ask, I care if you have.
Haha you knew what I meant but still had to claim I was being Lazy. Brilliant!
I asked you have you read my posts? I care to know because I have already provided you with everything your now playing dumb to not know. Hence I asked. No good repeating something you cannot be bothered to of read earlier. Simple Common courtesy.
Problem with the "he was a sinner" argument. Do not forget he lied AFTER he was allegedly inspired by Jesus, inspired by the Holy Spirit....thus promoting other lies..(one lie leads to more..)
1.) That Jesus would of wanted Paul to lie making Jesus out to be a liar.
2.) The Holy Spirit was guiding Paul to lie...
I certainly wouldn't like to say I agree with that and certainly not without first checking Pauls credentials, if I was completely ignorant, or deaf to the prescribed (by the Holy Spirit) warnings, Something which to be expected is Paulinists don't seem to be able to explain, they seem to want to have autonomy of source, over who you also now claim it all comes from, Jesus (because HE Saul/Paul told you so).
Jesus is no liar.
God will not be mocked either.
You can believe what you want, your choice but I notice alot round here like to run off with their opinions they have themselves stuck onto people as proof of how they think or what they do or don't believe. Stick to the subject material in front of you and keep to the thread. I asked "where in the bible" did you answer the question? No you went on about what YOU assert my beliefs to be when I have been clear from the very begining.
I will see if you can answer.
So you DO want me to keep repeating myself for you and show you common courtesy where you me show none. Ok...
Where (outside of Paul' allegedly inspired letters) does it say to lie to someone to gain their trust? Or to put it another way do you believe God, Jesus, the 12 Apostles and ALL prophets including the divine inspiration (the Holy Spirit) requires a faslehood in place of the truth?
Use ANY scripture you think does, that was NOT written by Paul (Saul).
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You failed to provide a single biblical quote that substantiates lying.
www.voiceofjesus.org/pb2chapter9.html
"If it is a lie, and you accuse me of lying, I will be forced to respond with a denial because a lie cannot and will not speak for itself. The things that motivated me to lie will motivate me to deny my lie. Then, feeling the weakness of my position, I look for something more! What more can I do? I must call forth a witness, so that you have not only my testimony, but also that of another. The scripture plainly states that everything is established at the mouth of two or three witnesses. You may have me pegged for a liar, but perhaps you will believe someone else. But on whom can I call on such short notice? To be effective, I must have a witness now! Not only so, but my witness must be a person of undisputed veracity, for it will not do to call on a reputed liar. Whose testimony would you accept immediately without question? Who? Who? Who?
Ah! There is only one person right for my task . . .
God in heaven!
His veracity is beyond question and He carries the extra advantage of never having been known to testify. He would surely condemn me for a liar if He were to testify but, since he never has, I am safe in calling upon him and the very mention of his name may be persuasive.
The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed forever, knows that I do not lie. At Damascus, the governor under King Aretas guarded the city of Damascus in order to seize me, but I was let down in a basket through a window in the wall, and escaped his hands (II Corinthians. 11:31-33).
But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and had called me through his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not confer with flesh and blood, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia; and again I returned to Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas, and remained with him fifteen days. But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother. In what I am writing to you, before God, I do not lie! (Galatians 1:15-20)
For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the gentiles in faith and truth (I Timothy 2:7).
I am speaking the truth in Christ, I am not lying; my conscience bears witness in the Holy Spirit that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen by race (Romans 9:1-3).I count four times here, in the New Testament epistles, that Paul denied that he was lying: to the Corinthians, the Galatians, Timothy, and the Romans. Once, to the Romans, he called the Holy Spirit to witness for him. Twice, to the Corinthians and to the Galatians, he called God to witness for him.
Three times, to the Corinthians, Galatians, and to Timothy, the denials were issued concerning his assertions of his calling and apostleship."
I just read it.
You gave me your interpretation of scripture, that was it.
You failed to acknowledge that Paul himself admits his lie and when asked you could not provide a reason using scripture to validate his lie or any lies. I guess you now have to twist scripture to show Paul meant something entirely different.
Do not swear at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God . . .. Let what you say be simply yes or no; anything more than this comes from evil (Matthew 5:34-37).
Paul admitted lying.
Either you are just being foolish in denying he lied or you have to substantiate his lie.
You opted for the latter.
May I suggest you read your bible, that way you can know for sure what has been inspired and to that which hath been added by a liar, a child of satan, a hypocrite.
How's that for your game of twister.
Do you not believe that the Holy Spirit can be a spirit that is passed onto us from our parents who themselves must have it to be able to pass it on?When it comes to race and the Holy Spirit, race does not cut it and it never did.
You have the Holy Spirit or you don't.
God made the different races.There is no question that God created ethnic diversity, which is also related to the environments in which various ethnic groups live. But when God says (through Paul) that He has made "of one blood all nations of men", you have to sit up and take notice.
It means that regardless of ethnic diversity, the HUMAN RACE is one race descended from Adam. That is why Christ died for the sins of the whole world. For Christians this also means that there are no racial divisions within the Church. And that is why the Church is called *the Body of Christ*.
No my parents did not pass the Holy Spirit on to me at all, they did not know and don't know the Holy Spirit because they were not Born Again. they had some faith and that gave me some hope at least. But being Born Again had nothing to do with them at all, that was God that did that.Do you not believe that the Holy Spirit can be a spirit that is passed onto us from our parents who themselves must have it to be able to pass it on?
God made the different races.
He kept them seperated for hundreds of years by mountain and by sea, so why did God not just make ONE race if he wanted every race to become mixed?
Just like a Jay differs from a Magpie, they are both birds and have superficial likenesses that we give to them like Linnaeus did when he brought forth his system of familiarity but they do not search themselves out, they keep away from eachother, plus it comes naturally.
Just like plant breeders or animal breeders set their animals or plants apart so they do not lose control of the pedigree or allow admixture.
We both agree.I have nothing against people wanting to live within there own race at all, in fact I encourage it
I think that the workings of Satan will win out, lets face it Satan controls the mob though TV, media and schools, it's plastered 24/7 on everyone, they tell you how to think ! and the majority swallow it, especially in the City's.We both agree.
Do you think the white race in europe can achieve this now though? Or without being stigmatised as being racist or worse the Hegelian dialectics creating "right wing" fascist groups to impede such a change to modern society?
What is CofE?Hello everyone.
Can I please ask what other peoples opinions are of this labeled offshoot of scripture and study? It seems to have become a bane to many who are offended by its very politically incorrect observance of racial segregation (not racism as a form of malice) and it seems to be filed as a hate group.
Can I ask if anyone here knows of it and has perhaps read some of their material?
My dearest and closest are CofE and I am not really able to approach them on this subject. I am not looking for an argument nor do I follow this teaching, however I am very curious to seek others opinions on this very mysterious and yet facinating new branch of Christianity.
Does anyone agree with their reasoning on the "unpardonable sin" being linked to racial segragation? (please bare in mind I am only asking for opinions so not out to offend anyone who finds this offensive)
Thank you
One thing I have learned from considering these so-called Christian racial movements over time ... usually, the complaint one race has against another is about their moral character ("Blacks are lazy," "Whites go around the world destroying other cultures, colonizing") : the Bible says the solution to sin is Christ and His teachings, and if we go on harboring ill-will against races, we cannot also be Christians because we deny the power of Christ to make us into morally excellent people. We deny Christ. That is what I have gleaned--THE VAST MAJORITY of the discussion involves, of necessity, knowingly or not, a denial of Christ. If only groups like the "Black Hebrew Israelites" would conform their speech to that of Jesus and Paul they would rid themselves of so much misunderstanding of prophecy (they mishandle the Word of God, and go off the rails--bearing no resemblance, at the end of their madness, to the likes of Jesus or Paul or John).Hello everyone.
Can I please ask what other peoples opinions are of this labeled offshoot of scripture and study? It seems to have become a bane to many who are offended by its very politically incorrect observance of racial segregation (not racism as a form of malice) and it seems to be filed as a hate group.
Can I ask if anyone here knows of it and has perhaps read some of their material?
My dearest and closest are CofE and I am not really able to approach them on this subject. I am not looking for an argument nor do I follow this teaching, however I am very curious to seek others opinions on this very mysterious and yet facinating new branch of Christianity.
Does anyone agree with their reasoning on the "unpardonable sin" being linked to racial segragation? (please bare in mind I am only asking for opinions so not out to offend anyone who finds this offensive)
Thank you
One thing I have learned from considering these so-called Christian racial movements over time ... usually, the complaint one race has against another is about their moral character ("Blacks are lazy," "Whites go around the world destroying other cultures, colonizing")--the Bible says the solution is Christ and His teachings, and if we go on harboring such things against races we cannot also be Christians because we deny the power of Christ to make those who are unlike us into morally excellent people. We deny Christ. That is what I have gleaned--THE VAST MAJORITY of the discussion involves, of necessity, whether intentionally or not, a denial of Christ.
Yeah, Christ says "judge a tree by its fruit"--their reasoning may sound sweet, they may quote Scripture, but how do they behave? You can tell the truthfulness of their doctrine by their behavior. "If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless." James 1:26. The heart has to be soft, not "hardened through the deceitfulness of sin" Hebrews 3:13.I do like this & find it's truth plus every person is made in the imagine of god, least in some way. a preacher once said ' yes even that idiot you're arguing with' is made in the image