Jesus Coming in The Clouds.

[ScottA]

This is what has been taught and what most believe, and what most expect to see of Jesus' second coming, as "coming in the clouds":

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But this is what is actually written (Jesus speaking):

"Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.” Luke 17:20-21​

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What most have missed in the "coming in the clouds" passage...is that it does not say "clouds" as in the sky-- but specifically, "in the clouds of heaven."

 

[GISMYS_7]

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” Acts 1:9-11

 

[quietthinker]

This is what has been taught and what most believe, and what most expect to see of Jesus' second coming, as "coming in the clouds":

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But this is what is actually written (Jesus speaking):

"Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.” Luke 17:20-21​

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What most have missed in the "coming in the clouds" passage...is that it does not say "clouds" as in the sky-- but specifically, "in the clouds of heaven."

so what's your point Scott?

 

[GISMYS_7]

REALLY!! Who gfinds this scripture hard to understand??

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” Acts 1:9-11

 

[Marty fox]

This is what has been taught and what most believe, and what most expect to see of Jesus' second coming, as "coming in the clouds":

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But this is what is actually written (Jesus speaking):

"Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.” Luke 17:20-21​

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What most have missed in the "coming in the clouds" passage...is that it does not say "clouds" as in the sky-- but specifically, "in the clouds of heaven."

Coming in the clouds is actually an Old Testament sign of judgement.

The other reference is that it was a statement from Jesus (in Matthew chapter 26:64) to the Pharisees as being the one from Daniel chapter 7:13

 

[Enoch111]

What most have missed in the "coming in the clouds" passage...is that it does not say "clouds" as in the sky-- but specifically, "in the clouds of heaven."

Do you know what that means? Here "clouds" is a METAPHOR for the myriads of saints and angels who will accompany Christ. Since they will all be dressed in white and radiating light, they will give the appearance of bright clouds from a distance. These are also called "the armies of Heaven" since they descend from God's Heaven..

The Second Coming of Christ will indeed be glorious as He is surrounded by His saints and holy angels. And "every eye shall see Him".

 

[Marty fox]

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” Acts 1:9-11

These verses don’t say that Jesus was taken up on a cloud just that a cloud received and hid Him. It is saying that Jesus will come again from the sky.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Why not stay out of trouble and just believe the Word of God?? Jesus was taken up into the clouds and will soon return in the clouds!!

 

[ScottA]

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” Acts 1:9-11

This is perhaps one of the most misunderstood passages in the Bible. It includes many points that can be interpreted in multiple ways. Even so, it is not possible that this passage contradicts or makes void the many other passages that establish the true spiritual nature of God and Jesus going to the Father in spirit which cannot be seen according to Jesus himself, who specifically said that the kingdom of God does not come by observation.

 

[ScottA]

so what's your point Scott?

Most people are under the wrong impression.

The point is, there is a big difference between seeing Jesus coming in the clouds in the skies of this world, and "the clouds of heaven." Coming in the clouds in the skies of this world is not biblical, as it specifically says "the clouds of heaven", which is confirmed by many other passages of scripture.

 

[Behold]

This is what has been taught and what most believe, and what most expect to see of Jesus' second coming, as "coming in the clouds":What most have missed in the "coming in the clouds" passage...is that it does not say "clouds" as in the sky-- but specifically, "in the clouds of heaven."

There are 3 Heavens.

The 3rd one is where God, Christ, and the host of Heaven, and the born again exist.
Paul talked about it, as he went there after He was stoned to death.

2 Corinthians 12:2.

"""""""I know a man yin Christ who fourteen years ago was zcaught up to athe third heaven""""""

Now...

The heaven right above you, has blue sky and clouds. That's #1, and Jesus is going to come there for His Bride, very soon.

 

[ScottA]

Do you know what that means? Here "clouds" is a METAPHOR for the myriads of saints and angels who will accompany Christ. Since they will all be dressed in white and radiating light, they will give the appearance of bright clouds from a distance. These are also called "the armies of Heaven" since they descend from God's Heaven..

The Second Coming of Christ will indeed be glorious as He is surrounded by His saints and holy angels. And "every eye shall see Him".

The possible metaphor of "clouds" is however not the point of distinction. It is rather the fact that it specifically says in "heaven", meaning not a worldly event, but a heavenly event. Also, by the laws of the heaven as opposed to earth, the context for "every eye will see", can only mean in heaven...I mean, unless we are talking about the new earth, rather than this old earth...which, by definition would be heaven anyway.

 

[Pearl]

Revelation 1:5-8
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
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“Look, he is coming with the clouds,”
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”
So shall it be! Amen.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

 

[ScottA]

There are 3 Heavens.

The 3rd one is where God, Christ, and the host of Heaven, and the born again exist.
Paul talked about it, as he went there after He was stoned to death.

2 Corinthians 12:2.

"""""""I know a man yin Christ who fourteen years ago was zcaught up to athe third heaven""""""

Now...

The heaven right above you, has blue sky and clouds. That's #1, and Jesus is going to come there for His Bride, very soon.

Heaven has been described as "above", and that does indeed work for the first and second heaven which are physically above the earth.

However, the kingdom of heaven is not [actually] physically "above", but as it is written (Jesus speaking) is "within." This is the distinction and the purpose for me starting this thread. Thank you!

I submit therefore, that every scripture referring to Jesus' and our entering "heaven", as well as heaven itself--is NOT celestrial or terrestrial. In which case, there are also metaphorical examples in the scriptures, none of which actually mean in or of this earth or universe.

 

[ScottA]

Revelation 1:5-8​

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.​

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“Look, he is coming with the clouds,”
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”
So shall it be! Amen.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

I could say that coming "with" the clouds is one truth, while all people "on earth" will mourn is another truth. But one would have to understand that Jesus bringing heaven "with" him makes for the end of this earth...meaning two sides of the one event.

Do you see and understand this--that there are indeed two sides to the equation of Jesus' return--one unto death, and one unto life?

That is my point of starting this tread. The problem is most have tried to make both fit into one worldly context--in which context we could argue endlessly, even with scriptures that seem to contradict each other. On the contrary, my point was to reconcile all truth with in the context of the one being divided from the other, as light from darkness. Do you see this as the main theme of all scripture? Are you following me?

 

[Pearl]

Whatever the ins and outs of it I know Jesus will return at the appointed time.

 

[Behold]

However, the kingdom of heaven is not [actually] physically "above", but as it is written (Jesus speaking) is "within." This is the distinction and the purpose for me starting this thread.

The title of your Thread does not make clear that you are talking about a spiritual kingdom, tho there is the Shekinah Glory, that can be compared to a cloud, or mist, or similar..

However your Title is.>"Jesus coming in the Clouds"...

And He will., again..... just like they watched Him leave.

Notice this...

Acts 1

“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the SKY? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back = in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
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[quietthinker]

Most people are under the wrong impression.

The point is, there is a big difference between seeing Jesus coming in the clouds in the skies of this world, and "the clouds of heaven." Coming in the clouds in the skies of this world is not biblical, as it specifically says "the clouds of heaven", which is confirmed by many other passages of scripture.

so what's the difference?

 

[ScottA]

The title of your Thread does not make clear that you are talking about a spiritual kingdom, tho there is the Shekinah Glory, that can be compared to a cloud, or mist, or similar..

However your Title is.>"Jesus coming in the Clouds"...

And He will., again..... just like they watched Him leave.

Notice this...

Acts 1

“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the SKY? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back = in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
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Yes, and that is the point of confusion...because most would take that to mean in the way they saw, not considering it was merely a manifestation of what is otherwise unseen and spiritual. But which is greater, the manifestation or He whom made manifest...and what "like manner" did He make manifest?

I submit, these things are written regarding the Spirit and not the flesh. The words are spirit.

 

[ScottA]

so what's the difference?

The difference is that what is of this world and what is seen is only made manifest for the revelation of Him who makes manifest who is unseen.

In other words, we who are created in the image of God see according to images rather than what actually is--because we have only considered all things according to all that we know, all of which was first "of this world" and not of the kingdom. But when the angel said Jesus shall return "in like manner"--what likeness is to be revealed? I submit, it is not the likeness of this world that the angel referred to, but rather the same manner and likeness which made us and Him manifest, which is rather the likeness of the kingdom and of God who for these times has otherwise been unseen to us.

So then, which is actually true, that the "like manner" that Jesus will return is lowly according to this world again in the likeness of a man, or glorious according to God who is "finished" with His lowliness having overcome this world? And why should our perspective remain lowly when we have been raised up with Him who overcame those lowly things of this world? We should not.